steven moffat is talentless bint!

Again, there were so many things to love about this episode – Rory passing the Doctor’s test by decking him when he implied that Amy wasn’t so important, Amy hearing the story of the Lone Centurion, then reuniting with Rory, who survived after all – that was just beautiful, I know I’ve mentioned it before, but that bit just touched me so much… Also, the destruction of the Fez – OMG, hilarious! I absolutely LOVED Amy calling the Doctor back with her memories, and that Rory also remembers…I can hardly wait for them to continue as the Doctor’s companions. The other questions can be answered in time…and I’ll keep on watching!

I’m finding that Moffat is a master at mind games as far as the timey-wimey storylines go, and even though it’s sometimes hard to get my mind around, it works, and it’s amazing…even if you have to wait for the payoff!

i dont know if anyones mentioned this before but has SM thrown in a bit of a spanner in the works for RTD with the vortex manipulter line-It came off the wrist of a handsome Time agent(hand as well),surley that was referring to Jack how will he get back to Torchwood-just a thought!

ill be honest, when i saw this ep at 1st, i hated it.
but then i watched it again today, & its not a bad episode

@Steve
What show have you been watching? There were deaths in Episodes Three, Four, Five, Six, Seven, Nine, Ten, Eleven and Twelve.

@Jay
Ratings as a whole are on the decline, as I’ve said over and over again. It’s not just Doctor Who, and the evidence of that will be The Sarah Jane Adventures’ overnight ratings. Also, while some children might be put off by the fact that the series is more thought-provoking than the past four have been, I know a lot of people who have become Whovians because of Series Five, because of the changes made.

@JC
I’ll try to focus on not changing your mind here but, surely it seems better to have an episode where reality is in danger but the characters are more important, rather than a finale where the action and endangering the entire universe is the central idea and characters are just stuffed in because they have to be?

@rousan
Personally, I can’t think of any unanswered questions beyond the ones addressed by the Doctor at the end of The Big Bang: who is River and who/what is The Silence?

Regarding the whole “You most definitely may kiss the bride” line, I think that was just Amy showing her joy at the Doctor being back in her life after many years.

@CYBERGIRL
One phrase to answer that: “Wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey!”

I can see what you’re saying TE. I enjoy writing so I know the value of characters in storylines, obviously without characters you’d have no storyline.

I rewatched “The Big Bang” last night as others have done and I enjoyed it, but I haven’t quite changed my mind and I think that’s because of the expectation I had of the finale. At the end of Episode 12, the universe was ending, the Doctor was locked in a prison he seemingly could never get out of, Rory had just killed Amy and River Song was dying inside an exploding Tardis.

That was quite epic, it was a great cliffhanger and Episode 13 was coming to answer all my questions and it was going to be big……..

In the end though, it wasn’t for me. All the things that had seemed quite epic turned out not to be really. The prison that had been so carefully constructed with the kind of fear of the Doctor it had, an impossible alliance had come together to trap him as the universal threat he’d been seen to be, and yet it only held him for perhaps ten minutes at the most.

Rory had murdered the Doctor’s companion and Rory was an Auton, but by the end of the next episode, that didn’t really matter.

As for River Song, the Doctor just had to pop into the exploding, time looping Tardis and rescue her with a very primitive Vortex Manipulator.

The Doctor flying the Pandorica into the Tardis and projecting it’s image of the universe at every point through time was cool, but as it, in my opinion, stood on it’s own in the episode, it wasn’t quite enough for me personally.

It wasn’t a bad episode, I’ve said that because I believe it………I mean, “something new, something old, something borrowed and something blue”………….brilliant, I wouldn’t have connected that and it provided a perfect re-entrance for the Doctor and his Tardis into the universe.

In my opinion, the Finale of Season 5 wasn’t a failure, but it was unbalanced for me. IF Steven Moffatt can combine that kind of story and characters with more action to raise the tempo of the episode a bit more, then he’ll have a success on his hands.

Funnily enough, I’m actually not that into action. I enjoy it, of course, but I was a fan of another franchise and when it produced something which was only action and no story, I stopped being a fan of the entire franchise.

I’m confident about Season 6 though. My favourite companion Amy is still around, Rory is alive, we’ll probably find out who River Song really is after all this time, we’ll find out who’s been able to control the Tardis and who wants Silence To Fall and what exactly that means, it sounds like it’s going to be very cool and perhaps the ending of Season 6 will be the most epic yet, and if so, Season 5 will have been worth it just for Season 6.

@JC
Glad to hear you don’t hate it

Regarding the tempo of the episode: I suppose it was because, while this is a finale, it’s only the conclusion to the first half of the story arc.

Moffat doesn’t read what us diehards think of DW. I’m beginning to understand why.

I feel sorry for the poor guy. If he doesn’t give viewers “epic” he is basically being told DW is boring and pedestrian and rubbish. But then he isn’t listening anyway

@pirko
Didn’t you give five of his six eps from S5 above average marks out of ten earlier in this very thread?

Or are you being ironic?

@David
I read that too and at first, I was slightly insulted. It was like because we enjoy Doctor Who and like to talk about it, our views aren’t important, when that isn’t the case whatsoever.

After some thought though, I think I understand better what he was trying to say. If he followed to the letter what we think, then Doctor Who would be far from perfect because everyone wants something different.

I think people on this site, whatever their view, have had some very good thoughts about this series and to dismiss those views as rantings of a bunch of madmen is wrong, but I don’t think and hope he didn’t mean it to sound that way.

Also, despite being willing to acknowledge the bad points, I think my opinions have been balanced with what I’ve liked as well.

@CYBERGIRL
It’s possible, although Jack isn’t a Time Agent anymore, and he had both hands plus a vortex manipulator when he met the Doctor. Maybe it belonged to his Time Agent friend (I think his name was John?)

I also thought about that E.P, Jack Harkness was part of a whole Time Agency, in which there were many different Time Agents, even if the description did sound like him.

@JC
Just continuing that thought… how great would it be to have an episode with Jack and River Song together? I’d love that. haha

Re: Possible influences/plagiarism pertaining to the recent Doctor Who series.

Read the precis for the first episode of Sapphire and Steel:

“The first story really set the tone for the next five -there were six in all- whilst Robert Jardine is doing his homework every clock in the house stops ticking. Robert runs upstairs to tell his parents only to find his young sister alone in her bedroom, mother and father it would appear, have vanished. Enter two strangers, Sapphire, a beautifully elegant woman with a pleasing nature and the ability to turn back time for a few seconds -and Steel, like his name suggests, cold and hard and with an aptitude to offend with his no-nonsense unemotional approach to work. Together and with the help of the children the two time agents work out that the house is the focal point for a tear in time itself, the trigger being an old nursery rhyme ‘Ring-a Ring-a Roses’ (from the time of the Black Plague), recited by the young girl, Helen”.

See what I mean?

Youngster(s) left alone. Empty house. Disappeared parents. Tear in time. An old folk rhyme to resolve things.

@Redshade

Yeah what youve just said there is complete bull.

@Steve
Hang on, Redshade has a point.

However,
@Redshade
Similar themes are seen in the book A Wrinkle in Time (children, their missing father, time and space, and even a woman named Mrs. Who), and that was published in 1962, before both Doctor Who and Sapphire and Steel.
You do have a point, but ideas and themes in sci-fi are often used again and again, with different twists. Even “NewWHo” has re-used quite a few themes from Classic Who.

@Redshade

@e.p

Yes maybe the absolout core aspects are simpler, but there is also just as many differences in the story

@Redshade
Plagiarism? Bull. Are there similarities? Sure. Are there probably similarities to a million other stories, too? Sure. It happens.

Season 5 was epic brilliant love stephen moffats geneious. grew to love matt smith as the dr and karen gillan as his trusty companion with her now hubby rory. Roll on season six keep up the good work moffat