@Rosalie

Beautifully put, couldn’t agree more!

Ooh, don’t forget that the astronaut was shown to be capable of movement without an occupant in Day of the Moon. Is it even remotely possible that the suit could be empty – if River can force her way out once, she could may do it again, and the suit could go on to kill the Doctor anyway because that’s what it’s programmed to do…?

I get the feeling I may be clutching at straws a little here :p

@TE
its matt with a different name. i realised that last night too but i still don’t completely understand. in episode 1 there was a spare suit in the box in the warehouse. is that it?

they are axeing confidential. NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

That’s a good point, Emerald. Perhaps there was no one in the suit, and the Doctor knew that and was playing along . . . to give River a sort of reverse-alibi, perhaps? Reassure the Silence that she had carried through with her mission without her having to do it? I don’t know.

There’s a more sinister possibility. Because the suit can move on its own, perhaps it can force River to go where the Silence want her to. Maybe as a child she could force her way out, but as an adult maybe she’s not as strong because she has used up her regenerations; so maybe they were planning all along to wait until she was done regenerating, and her rescue of the Doctor hastened that? Hmm. I’m not sure that works, so maybe not.

There’s also the question: why did River try to kill the Doctor in Berlin? Was it an elaborate ploy by the Silence to try to put him off the scent, by making him think the trap had already sprung and failed? Or was she working largely on her own there, a combination of any kill-the-Doctor brainwashing she’d had plus growing up listening to Amelia describe this amazing man who never came back and obviously left a lot of tragedies un-prevented.

There’s an awful lot River knows; she knew from the start (as Mels) who her parents were, she almost certainly already knew about the Doctor, and she had clearly been up to stuff between times when she was in Amy and Rory’s lives….yet by the end of Closing Time, she does not recognize Madame Kovarian. Obviously the presence of the Silence has had an influence, and her mind’s been a bit swiss-cheesed by all of that, but just how much does she know at this point, at the beginning of her life as River Song?

@Calli Arcale
The last time she’d seen Kovarian though was when she was a baby.

And how do we know that? ;-)

The River that Madame Kovarian and the Silence put in the suit, I thought must of been her after ‘Let’s kill Hitler’ because she was looking at files of eye witnesses of The Doctor and the grown up River(well the River in the Storm cage)can normally just literally just fall out of the sky to find him so ,that River wouldn’t be looking at eye witenesses of him and she would be in the storm cage anyway. So the River at the Lake would of known that she killed him then and there. So my thery is that the older River at the lake will stop herself from killing the Doctor,
even though it’s a fixed point in Time, if she does there must be some consequences because her future will change that means no storm cage, and that would mean some of the Doctors past would change, things would go different in ‘the time of angels’ and ‘Flesh and stone’, And most likely in ‘the Pardorica opens’ and ‘the Big bang’.

Well that’s what I think, it’s probably wrong anyway ;P

@Prisoner 0 / right hand side of the TARDIS
actually good point