Comments on: Discussion: So, where should Torchwood go next? /2012/06/discussion-so-where-should-torchwood-go-next/ Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:00:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Grace /2012/06/discussion-so-where-should-torchwood-go-next/comment-page-1/#comment-19074 Grace Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:00:43 +0000 /?p=51323#comment-19074 Don't end Torchwood on Miracle Day please! Instead, give the team a purpose. The original reason Torchwood existed according to Queen Victoria was for the good of the British Empire! I see nothing wrong with that! And there is still plenty for them to do! Isn't there still a rift in Cardiff to get back to? Its simple to add a few new cast members and get the ball rolling again, just for goodness sake, leave the cheesy MD disaster crap out of it! That story line was so convoluted and so forced that if you pretended it never happened I don't think anyone would be sorry! For goodness sake Jack was a Time Agent! Use the stupid bracelet and travel back in time a year or so! Maybe he's even traveled the galaxy the last five years, or blew up the time agency! Anything! Just let Torchwood be what it could be and give the fans what they deserve! Don’t end Torchwood on Miracle Day please!

Instead, give the team a purpose. The original reason Torchwood existed according to Queen Victoria was for the good of the British Empire! I see nothing wrong with that! And there is still plenty for them to do! Isn’t there still a rift in Cardiff to get back to?

Its simple to add a few new cast members and get the ball rolling again, just for goodness sake, leave the cheesy MD disaster crap out of it! That story line was so convoluted and so forced that if you pretended it never happened I don’t think anyone would be sorry!

For goodness sake Jack was a Time Agent! Use the stupid bracelet and travel back in time a year or so! Maybe he’s even traveled the galaxy the last five years, or blew up the time agency! Anything! Just let Torchwood be what it could be and give the fans what they deserve!

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By: JC /2012/06/discussion-so-where-should-torchwood-go-next/comment-page-1/#comment-18957 JC Mon, 11 Jun 2012 14:35:49 +0000 /?p=51323#comment-18957 I liked Series 1 and 2 of Torchwood. Series 3, or Children of Earth, was different but had some moments that were great and also completely destructive to the whole Torchwood show, IE: the Hub being destroyed and although it didn't really bother me, Ianto dying. Added to that, the sacrifice of Jack's Grandson was really quite something. Miracle Day was not far short of a disaster for me, personally. I was bored all the way through, I felt uncomfortable at certain points and got attacked as homophobic because of it (which is completely not true) and the ending was just rediculous. Jack's immortality has nothing to do with his blood. I seriously doubt that something as powerful as the Bad Wolf Entity would just add something to Jack's blood to make him immortal. There's something a whole lot more to him than just funny blood. The Tardis ran to the end of the universe to get away from him and the Doctor had trouble even looking at him and from Miracle Day, we're being told that it's in his blood or that in some way, Jack is capable of producing blood that has immortality properties? No, just wrong. Added to that, they wrongly assumed that people would love the Series and therefore dug them into a massive hole from which they can never climb out from, by suggesting at the end that there was a Plan B and my reaction was "Oh please, don't make me go through another Miracle Day". Because of that Plan B, how can Torchwood ever go back to its roots?........Series 5 would have to be Miracle Day 2 and I don't even want to think about that. So, in my opinion, where should Torchwood go next?.........As sad as it is to say, I don't think they should go anywhere. Miracle Day was that bad that I actually believe they should just stop now, I don't want to even know what Plan B was because Plan A was so incredibly boring and strung out. For me, Torchwood is Cardiff, the Hub and the SUV. Once they were gone in Children of Earth, so was Torchwood. I liked Series 1 and 2 of Torchwood. Series 3, or Children of Earth, was different but had some moments that were great and also completely destructive to the whole Torchwood show, IE: the Hub being destroyed and although it didn’t really bother me, Ianto dying.

Added to that, the sacrifice of Jack’s Grandson was really quite something.

Miracle Day was not far short of a disaster for me, personally. I was bored all the way through, I felt uncomfortable at certain points and got attacked as homophobic because of it (which is completely not true) and the ending was just rediculous.

Jack’s immortality has nothing to do with his blood. I seriously doubt that something as powerful as the Bad Wolf Entity would just add something to Jack’s blood to make him immortal. There’s something a whole lot more to him than just funny blood.

The Tardis ran to the end of the universe to get away from him and the Doctor had trouble even looking at him and from Miracle Day, we’re being told that it’s in his blood or that in some way, Jack is capable of producing blood that has immortality properties?

No, just wrong. Added to that, they wrongly assumed that people would love the Series and therefore dug them into a massive hole from which they can never climb out from, by suggesting at the end that there was a Plan B and my reaction was “Oh please, don’t make me go through another Miracle Day”.

Because of that Plan B, how can Torchwood ever go back to its roots?……..Series 5 would have to be Miracle Day 2 and I don’t even want to think about that.

So, in my opinion, where should Torchwood go next?………As sad as it is to say, I don’t think they should go anywhere. Miracle Day was that bad that I actually believe they should just stop now, I don’t want to even know what Plan B was because Plan A was so incredibly boring and strung out.

For me, Torchwood is Cardiff, the Hub and the SUV. Once they were gone in Children of Earth, so was Torchwood.

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By: Tom Versey /2012/06/discussion-so-where-should-torchwood-go-next/comment-page-1/#comment-18952 Tom Versey Mon, 11 Jun 2012 08:30:48 +0000 /?p=51323#comment-18952 I did enjoy Miracle Day at the start of the Series, but in around Ep 3 or 4, the show went totally of track. CoE was more original! I agree with many people, MD was a disaster! The end of the series was ridiculous and the americans just shouldn't have been involved in the series, It should of been Cardiff or UK based! IF a Series 5 is possible, don't go abroad, stick to the UK! Bring back Martha Jones and Mickey, and have a fresh new team! Miracle Day I think is rated 3/10 in my case, wheras Series 3 is 7/10, and Series 1 and 2 are 10/10! If they can't think of any genius way for a Series of Torchwood, I suggest they end it, Series 4 has been proven by many whovians as the worst. I did enjoy Miracle Day at the start of the Series, but in around Ep 3 or 4, the show went totally of track. CoE was more original! I agree with many people, MD was a disaster! The end of the series was ridiculous and the americans just shouldn’t have been involved in the series, It should of been Cardiff or UK based!
IF a Series 5 is possible, don’t go abroad, stick to the UK! Bring back Martha Jones and Mickey, and have a fresh new team! Miracle Day I think is rated 3/10 in my case, wheras Series 3 is 7/10, and Series 1 and 2 are 10/10! If they can’t think of any genius way for a Series of Torchwood, I suggest they end it, Series 4 has been proven by many whovians as the worst.

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By: Rosalie /2012/06/discussion-so-where-should-torchwood-go-next/comment-page-1/#comment-18951 Rosalie Mon, 11 Jun 2012 07:08:15 +0000 /?p=51323#comment-18951 Bring it back to Wales for a final series (Miracle Day was all just a dream...they were under the influence of psychic pollen...of course there are no Americans...of course Jack's immortality has nothing to do with blood...) and then end it well. CoE was amazing television, but there is not much more for Torchwood to do before the writers decide that it's time for another "upgrade". Bring back Martha (and Mickey and Lois?), form a real, proper Torchwood team, let them be fantastic, and then leave the rest of their lives to the imagination. But for goodness sake, don't lose the integrity of the show by turning it American again! Miracle Day made no sense plot-wise, was completely over-sexualized, and had bland, obnoxious characters that we were supposed to sympathize with. In other words--average American television. The only way I can see forward is by forgetting that Miracle Day ever happened, which, as it is a science fiction show, should not be too difficult. Bring it back to Wales for a final series (Miracle Day was all just a dream…they were under the influence of psychic pollen…of course there are no Americans…of course Jack’s immortality has nothing to do with blood…) and then end it well. CoE was amazing television, but there is not much more for Torchwood to do before the writers decide that it’s time for another “upgrade”. Bring back Martha (and Mickey and Lois?), form a real, proper Torchwood team, let them be fantastic, and then leave the rest of their lives to the imagination. But for goodness sake, don’t lose the integrity of the show by turning it American again! Miracle Day made no sense plot-wise, was completely over-sexualized, and had bland, obnoxious characters that we were supposed to sympathize with. In other words–average American television. The only way I can see forward is by forgetting that Miracle Day ever happened, which, as it is a science fiction show, should not be too difficult.

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By: Lewis /2012/06/discussion-so-where-should-torchwood-go-next/comment-page-1/#comment-18950 Lewis Mon, 11 Jun 2012 05:51:47 +0000 /?p=51323#comment-18950 Torchwood is great and still has the potential to be great. I mean this may sound ridiculous but they could always bring Martha Jones and Mickey smith into Torchwood. There was a part in series two where Martha was there and when she left Jack told her there would always be a spot on the team for her. Torchwood is great and still has the potential to be great. I mean this may sound ridiculous but they could always bring Martha Jones and Mickey smith into Torchwood. There was a part in series two where Martha was there and when she left Jack told her there would always be a spot on the team for her.

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By: Sebastian /2012/06/discussion-so-where-should-torchwood-go-next/comment-page-1/#comment-18949 Sebastian Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:21:07 +0000 /?p=51323#comment-18949 Torchwood was great, but it has had its day. Series 1 and 2 were fantastic but after that they went downhill. It's over. But if they did bring it back I would like standalone stories, rather than one story for 10 episodes. S4 was a disaster. It went on and on. Torchwood was great, but it has had its day. Series 1 and 2 were fantastic but after that they went downhill. It’s over. But if they did bring it back I would like standalone stories, rather than one story for 10 episodes. S4 was a disaster. It went on and on.

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By: Joe /2012/06/discussion-so-where-should-torchwood-go-next/comment-page-1/#comment-18948 Joe Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:23:06 +0000 /?p=51323#comment-18948 I loved Torchwood but after series 4 I think it should end. I loved Torchwood but after series 4 I think it should end.

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By: Apaulio /2012/06/discussion-so-where-should-torchwood-go-next/comment-page-1/#comment-18946 Apaulio Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:28:22 +0000 /?p=51323#comment-18946 A countries mess? Thanks autocorrect. Cant even think what the word was. Complete? Ridiculous? Something along those lines. A countries mess? Thanks autocorrect.

Cant even think what the word was. Complete? Ridiculous? Something along those lines.

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By: Apaulio /2012/06/discussion-so-where-should-torchwood-go-next/comment-page-1/#comment-18945 Apaulio Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:25:59 +0000 /?p=51323#comment-18945 Years ago, when series 1 of Torchy was on I taught BA film media and we all watched the show to discuss it the next day. That's the only fond memory I have of the show really. A great initial concept let down often by a lack of focus and originality IMO. All I can remember of series 1 and 2 now are Russel's diatribes, the cyber bikini, some hammy comedy and the occasional piece of excellent acting from Gwen.  Series 3 had some excellent moments but I couldn't get away from the idea that the main focal actor was miscast (I couldn't divorce Tucker from proceedings), the best conceit was ripped wholesale from independence day and th end felt cynical and uneasant for the sake of it.  Series 4 I gave up on a handful of episodes in as it felt like an am dram presentation of some dodgey fan fic.  Could it come back? Can't see how, although the initial concept was cool (I'm sure I read an interview before s1 that they were going for a men in black/csi:who vibe which would have been amaze). Instead we got the televised continuation of Russel's sermons on sexuality, poor comedy and characters who make a sequence of increasingly ridiculous decisions under the guise of selfish heroism.  Not a fan, then :) but I'd be well up for something that took the strength of the premise and did it well. Sarah Jane adventures and Who know what they're doing and did it well. Torchy was a countries mess and s4 was its pinnacle (or nadir, maybe a bit of both).     Years ago, when series 1 of Torchy was on I taught BA film media and we all watched the show to discuss it the next day. That’s the only fond memory I have of the show really. A great initial concept let down often by a lack of focus and originality IMO. All I can remember of series 1 and 2 now are Russel’s diatribes, the cyber bikini, some hammy comedy and the occasional piece of excellent acting from Gwen. 

Series 3 had some excellent moments but I couldn’t get away from the idea that the main focal actor was miscast (I couldn’t divorce Tucker from proceedings), the best conceit was ripped wholesale from independence day and th end felt cynical and uneasant for the sake of it.  Series 4 I gave up on a handful of episodes in as it felt like an am dram presentation of some dodgey fan fic. 

Could it come back? Can’t see how, although the initial concept was cool (I’m sure I read an interview before s1 that they were going for a men in black/csi:who vibe which would have been amaze). Instead we got the televised continuation of Russel’s sermons on sexuality, poor comedy and characters who make a sequence of increasingly ridiculous decisions under the guise of selfish heroism. 

Not a fan, then :) but I’d be well up for something that took the strength of the premise and did it well. Sarah Jane adventures and Who know what they’re doing and did it well. Torchy was a countries mess and s4 was its pinnacle (or nadir, maybe a bit of both).  
 

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By: Borusa /2012/06/discussion-so-where-should-torchwood-go-next/comment-page-1/#comment-18944 Borusa Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:19:22 +0000 /?p=51323#comment-18944 Torchwood needs to end! I love the show and think it's one of the great adult sci-fi shows of the modern era, but the format has been messed with, characters have been killed off and we're now at the point where I'm pretty much tired of it. Miracle Day didn't so much kill off for me, because I actually quite liked it and still do, but it did feel tired and worn out. The show feel like it's coming to its natural end, because there's no much else to do and very little remains. For me the high point has and always will be 'Children of Earth'. It had a gripping story, it felt like Torchwood, it had scale and I really liked the trio team we had there. Somehow I think those three together worked better than the original five members crew, because they were all in it together. Ianto had much more to do and it's a shame he was killed off. The only down point is it would have been great to see just Jack, Gwen and Ianto in a full 13-part series instead of a serial. I don't care what anyone says, CoE is the best Torcwhood has ever been IMO. We need a film or feature-length special to bring closure to the series. Jack and Gwen are all that remain and it would be great to see a story where the world is in peril, but they're the only two that can help, yet the world has turned on them and no one trusts Torchwood. I would love to see what Torcwhood would truly be like with just two members, fighting it out and trying to survive. With SJA coming to an abrupt end, Torchwood needs to end as well after its fifth incarnation. Torchwood needs to end!

I love the show and think it’s one of the great adult sci-fi shows of the modern era, but the format has been messed with, characters have been killed off and we’re now at the point where I’m pretty much tired of it.

Miracle Day didn’t so much kill off for me, because I actually quite liked it and still do, but it did feel tired and worn out. The show feel like it’s coming to its natural end, because there’s no much else to do and very little remains.

For me the high point has and always will be ‘Children of Earth’. It had a gripping story, it felt like Torchwood, it had scale and I really liked the trio team we had there. Somehow I think those three together worked better than the original five members crew, because they were all in it together. Ianto had much more to do and it’s a shame he was killed off. The only down point is it would have been great to see just Jack, Gwen and Ianto in a full 13-part series instead of a serial. I don’t care what anyone says, CoE is the best Torcwhood has ever been IMO.

We need a film or feature-length special to bring closure to the series. Jack and Gwen are all that remain and it would be great to see a story where the world is in peril, but they’re the only two that can help, yet the world has turned on them and no one trusts Torchwood. I would love to see what Torcwhood would truly be like with just two members, fighting it out and trying to survive.

With SJA coming to an abrupt end, Torchwood needs to end as well after its fifth incarnation.

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