Comments on: Rate & Discuss: Kill the Moon /2014/10/rate-discuss-kill-the-moon/ Wed, 30 Sep 2015 13:05:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Valcoor /2014/10/rate-discuss-kill-the-moon/comment-page-2/#comment-25153 Valcoor Sat, 11 Oct 2014 21:40:38 +0000 /?p=103306#comment-25153 So the moon is an egg 2159 miles in diameter. POOF it hatches and a creature appears WHICH THEN PROCEEDS TO LAY AN EGG 2159 MILES IN DIAMETER. Moffat, go learn some basic biology. So the moon is an egg 2159 miles in diameter.
POOF it hatches and a creature appears WHICH THEN PROCEEDS TO LAY AN EGG 2159 MILES IN DIAMETER.
Moffat, go learn some basic biology.

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By: Calli Arcale /2014/10/rate-discuss-kill-the-moon/comment-page-2/#comment-25150 Calli Arcale Thu, 09 Oct 2014 20:24:24 +0000 /?p=103306#comment-25150 <a href="#comment-25146" rel="nofollow">@Steve</a> No, I'm saying the splitters of her are inserted into the timeline in a way that makes them fit somehow, with no knowledge of this fact but yet being perfectly positioned to rescue the Doctor at each of the points where the Great Intelligence had intervened. It would be like what Rose did. If looking into the heart of the TARDIS could let her turn Jack into an immortal (and I mean, more immortal than the Highlander even, since he can apparently survive being blown into tiny pieces), then surely this could allow Clara to be inserted into the Universe at all the right points to do this. If she wasn't a native of whatever planet each of the events was happening on, or otherwise had some valid reason to be there, she couldn't reasonably intervene. So I think there she's probably a technician at the repair bay. After all, she does seem to wind up in either technical or educational positions. OOOH! And maybe that's why she was able to travel back into the Doctor's childhood! It left a toehold! @Steve
No, I’m saying the splitters of her are inserted into the timeline in a way that makes them fit somehow, with no knowledge of this fact but yet being perfectly positioned to rescue the Doctor at each of the points where the Great Intelligence had intervened. It would be like what Rose did. If looking into the heart of the TARDIS could let her turn Jack into an immortal (and I mean, more immortal than the Highlander even, since he can apparently survive being blown into tiny pieces), then surely this could allow Clara to be inserted into the Universe at all the right points to do this. If she wasn’t a native of whatever planet each of the events was happening on, or otherwise had some valid reason to be there, she couldn’t reasonably intervene. So I think there she’s probably a technician at the repair bay. After all, she does seem to wind up in either technical or educational positions.

OOOH! And maybe that’s why she was able to travel back into the Doctor’s childhood! It left a toehold!

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By: Mark /2014/10/rate-discuss-kill-the-moon/comment-page-2/#comment-25149 Mark Wed, 08 Oct 2014 23:58:49 +0000 /?p=103306#comment-25149 I realised in this episode how brilliant Peter Capaldi actually is. Whilst the previous two doctors liked to lay all their emotions out there Capaldi creates mystery, holding something back and you cant help feel at some point his going to explode. I realised in this episode how brilliant Peter Capaldi actually is. Whilst the previous two doctors liked to lay all their emotions out there Capaldi creates mystery, holding something back and you cant help feel at some point his going to explode.

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By: Grace Coleman /2014/10/rate-discuss-kill-the-moon/comment-page-1/#comment-25147 Grace Coleman Wed, 08 Oct 2014 13:27:00 +0000 /?p=103306#comment-25147 I love Danny and Clara....SHIPPING! Overall amazing episode, great great great brilliant! Like oh my stars <3♡♥ I love Danny and Clara….SHIPPING! Overall amazing episode, great great great brilliant! Like oh my stars <3♡♥

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By: Steve /2014/10/rate-discuss-kill-the-moon/comment-page-1/#comment-25146 Steve Wed, 08 Oct 2014 13:13:11 +0000 /?p=103306#comment-25146 <a href="#comment-25144" rel="nofollow">@Calli Arcale</a> Ah, so what you are saying is that splitters of Clara is more like River Song? That a child born to 2 humans is actually an alien of some kind? Clara "leading" the original Doctor to another TARDIS is extremely unlikely given the distrust the first Doctor had of nearly everyone. I would think the original Doctor would have ignored anything any one in the Capitol would have said. Which brings me to the Hand Of Omega. The Doctor took this with him or so it was implied, so this would have had to have been moved to the TARDIS indicated by Clara. Seems very unlikely. @Calli Arcale Ah, so what you are saying is that splitters of Clara is more like River Song? That a child born to 2 humans is actually an alien of some kind?
Clara “leading” the original Doctor to another TARDIS is extremely unlikely given the distrust the first Doctor had of nearly everyone. I would think the original Doctor would have ignored anything any one in the Capitol would have said. Which brings me to the Hand Of Omega. The Doctor took this with him or so it was implied, so this would have had to have been moved to the TARDIS indicated by Clara. Seems very unlikely.

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By: JC /2014/10/rate-discuss-kill-the-moon/comment-page-1/#comment-25145 JC Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:54:52 +0000 /?p=103306#comment-25145 <a href="#comment-25144" rel="nofollow">@Calli Arcale</a> I could JUST ABOUT accept Clara as an unremarkable Gallifreyan, but not as a Time Lady. To be honest, the more I think about Clara being on Gallifrey (including wherever the young first Doctor was), the more it makes me uncomfortable. @Calli Arcale

I could JUST ABOUT accept Clara as an unremarkable Gallifreyan, but not as a Time Lady. To be honest, the more I think about Clara being on Gallifrey (including wherever the young first Doctor was), the more it makes me uncomfortable.

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By: Calli Arcale /2014/10/rate-discuss-kill-the-moon/comment-page-1/#comment-25144 Calli Arcale Tue, 07 Oct 2014 17:29:57 +0000 /?p=103306#comment-25144 <a href="#comment-25140" rel="nofollow">@Steve</a> I always assumed that the various versions of Clara were inserted into the timeline of the location somehow, so the one on Gallifrey would've somehow been Gallifreyan, not human. Probably in some inconspicuous role, like a low-ranking technician, and not an actual Time Lady. @Steve
I always assumed that the various versions of Clara were inserted into the timeline of the location somehow, so the one on Gallifrey would’ve somehow been Gallifreyan, not human. Probably in some inconspicuous role, like a low-ranking technician, and not an actual Time Lady.

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By: Calli Arcale /2014/10/rate-discuss-kill-the-moon/comment-page-1/#comment-25143 Calli Arcale Tue, 07 Oct 2014 17:28:35 +0000 /?p=103306#comment-25143 I liked it. It wasn't scary or shocking like all the blogger hype had implied it would be, but I did like it. I did have some space physics and space travel nitpicks, though. ;-) 1) So the Moon gained a staggering amount of mass in a short period of time because the creature inside is growing? That doesn't makes sense. Chicks grow inside their eggs, but the egg doesn't get heavier (in fact, it gets lighter due to evaporation). They just convert egg mass into chicken mass. So the extra mass had to have come from somewhere. Surely there weren't enough "spider bacteria" to make a difference. Interesting explanation for the lunar mascons, though. (Would've loved to have heard that term used! Alas. Too technical, I suppose.) That's short for "mass concentrations". The Moon is very lumpy, which is a major navigational problem for spacecraft orbiting near it. The idea of those mascons shifting as the creature inside moves is very intriguing. Also not unique; Stephen Baxter's Doctor Who novel "Wheel of Ice" features something similar, on the fictional Saturnian moonlet Mnemosyne. (Except it's not a giant egg. It's a sentient spaceship that an icy moonlet accreted around, a la the colony ship in "Underworld".) 2) How do they have gravity on board Shuttle before landing? After landing, yeah, and it's a clever and sneaky way of both providing the dramatic tension of the story and also doing away with attempting to simulate 1/6 G. That was never explained. While in freefall, they should not have gravity. (If landing on Earth, they would, but that's because at that point they'd be flying, not freefalling.) 3) Normally, Shuttle can't reach the Moon. Just too far. But under the circumstances, I think we can accept a whopping huge megarocket was built to loft it. Not sure why anybody would bother -- and I cringed at the idea that the back half had been cut off so they could give rides to kids at the museum. The actual Orbiters are required to be preserved in as authentic a condition as possible, and I wouldn't expect that to be overridden as quickly as 2049. The Apollo capsules have sat in museums unmolested for longer than that already. And don't suggest it's Buran; it's obviously not, and anyway the one spaceworthy Buran isn't in a museum. It was scrapped after a roof collapse crushed it beyond repair. 4) I liked the realism of showing the remaining atmosphere inside the modified shuttle venting through the pressure relief valves along the side of the payload bay. Somebody looked up what those black things are, obviously. ;-) 5) The bellyflop landing on the Moon was probably the best one could expect a modified Orbiter to do, but certainly wouldn't be that tidy. They came to a stop in perhaps 500 feet. The real Orbiter requires 15,000 feet of runway, and that's after it's used the atmosphere (not available on the Moon) to decelerate from a mere low Earth orbit speed. A translunar approach would be a hell of a lot faster. They'd pretty much all die. 6) Talking of atmosphere not available, I loved how the disinfectant didn't work on the Moon because of vacuum! It had likely already boiled away. (I'm unclear how it survived the trip to the Mexican base in Courtney's pack, though.) 7) Of course, that doesn't explain why they could hear the spiders scuttling around while on EVA. In space, no one can hear you scuttle.... 8) Lastly, my personal pet peeve. The armored upper torsos of the astronaut suits were good, but it only highlighted what's always bugged me about the suits from "Impossible Planet" -- they don't inflate. They're walking around in unpressurized suits. They'd all lose consciousness in seconds. (Okay, maybe Time Lord biology protects the Doctor from vacuum -- it did in "Four to Doomsday" -- but that wouldn't save Clara or Courtney.) Obviously, that's a near-universal problem with spacesuits in the movies and on TV. ;-) I liked it. It wasn’t scary or shocking like all the blogger hype had implied it would be, but I did like it. I did have some space physics and space travel nitpicks, though. ;-)

1) So the Moon gained a staggering amount of mass in a short period of time because the creature inside is growing? That doesn’t makes sense. Chicks grow inside their eggs, but the egg doesn’t get heavier (in fact, it gets lighter due to evaporation). They just convert egg mass into chicken mass. So the extra mass had to have come from somewhere. Surely there weren’t enough “spider bacteria” to make a difference.

Interesting explanation for the lunar mascons, though. (Would’ve loved to have heard that term used! Alas. Too technical, I suppose.) That’s short for “mass concentrations”. The Moon is very lumpy, which is a major navigational problem for spacecraft orbiting near it. The idea of those mascons shifting as the creature inside moves is very intriguing. Also not unique; Stephen Baxter’s Doctor Who novel “Wheel of Ice” features something similar, on the fictional Saturnian moonlet Mnemosyne. (Except it’s not a giant egg. It’s a sentient spaceship that an icy moonlet accreted around, a la the colony ship in “Underworld”.)

2) How do they have gravity on board Shuttle before landing? After landing, yeah, and it’s a clever and sneaky way of both providing the dramatic tension of the story and also doing away with attempting to simulate 1/6 G. That was never explained. While in freefall, they should not have gravity. (If landing on Earth, they would, but that’s because at that point they’d be flying, not freefalling.)

3) Normally, Shuttle can’t reach the Moon. Just too far. But under the circumstances, I think we can accept a whopping huge megarocket was built to loft it. Not sure why anybody would bother — and I cringed at the idea that the back half had been cut off so they could give rides to kids at the museum. The actual Orbiters are required to be preserved in as authentic a condition as possible, and I wouldn’t expect that to be overridden as quickly as 2049. The Apollo capsules have sat in museums unmolested for longer than that already. And don’t suggest it’s Buran; it’s obviously not, and anyway the one spaceworthy Buran isn’t in a museum. It was scrapped after a roof collapse crushed it beyond repair.

4) I liked the realism of showing the remaining atmosphere inside the modified shuttle venting through the pressure relief valves along the side of the payload bay. Somebody looked up what those black things are, obviously. ;-)

5) The bellyflop landing on the Moon was probably the best one could expect a modified Orbiter to do, but certainly wouldn’t be that tidy. They came to a stop in perhaps 500 feet. The real Orbiter requires 15,000 feet of runway, and that’s after it’s used the atmosphere (not available on the Moon) to decelerate from a mere low Earth orbit speed. A translunar approach would be a hell of a lot faster. They’d pretty much all die.

6) Talking of atmosphere not available, I loved how the disinfectant didn’t work on the Moon because of vacuum! It had likely already boiled away. (I’m unclear how it survived the trip to the Mexican base in Courtney’s pack, though.)

7) Of course, that doesn’t explain why they could hear the spiders scuttling around while on EVA. In space, no one can hear you scuttle….

8) Lastly, my personal pet peeve. The armored upper torsos of the astronaut suits were good, but it only highlighted what’s always bugged me about the suits from “Impossible Planet” — they don’t inflate. They’re walking around in unpressurized suits. They’d all lose consciousness in seconds. (Okay, maybe Time Lord biology protects the Doctor from vacuum — it did in “Four to Doomsday” — but that wouldn’t save Clara or Courtney.) Obviously, that’s a near-universal problem with spacesuits in the movies and on TV. ;-)

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By: Steve /2014/10/rate-discuss-kill-the-moon/comment-page-1/#comment-25140 Steve Tue, 07 Oct 2014 10:17:42 +0000 /?p=103306#comment-25140 <a href="#comment-25134" rel="nofollow">@JC</a> She wouldn't have been - no one can get through the transduction barriers and in the Hand Of Fear, the Time Lords did not have any alien visits allowed. It was only after Leela stayed on Gallifrey did that policy change. @JC She wouldn’t have been – no one can get through the transduction barriers and in the Hand Of Fear, the Time Lords did not have any alien visits allowed. It was only after Leela stayed on Gallifrey did that policy change.

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By: JC /2014/10/rate-discuss-kill-the-moon/comment-page-1/#comment-25135 JC Mon, 06 Oct 2014 16:49:00 +0000 /?p=103306#comment-25135 In The Name of The Doctor, I mean. In The Name of The Doctor, I mean.

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