Home > Discussions, The End of Time > Discussion: The End of Time (Part Two)

Discussion: The End of Time (Part Two)

January 1st, 2010

end-of-time-discussion-full

Warning: The following article has been designated a Spoiler Zone, as its comments openly discuss the events of part two of The End of Time. Please do not read the comments if you haven’t yet seen the episode and don’t want to be spoiled. Thank you.

And so it came to pass, on New Year’s Day, that the Tenth Doctor did cease to exist, and the lives of Whovians everywhere were changed forever…

The long-awaited second part of The End of Time had its premiere screening in the United Kingdom tonight, and, after gruelling months of speculation and theories, the Tenth Doctor faced his final curtain call. And what a final curtain call it was!

If you’re anything like us, you’ll be feeling a mixture of emotions round about now. Sadness, that the Tenth Doctor is well and truly gone, happiness, that the surviving characters are now set free to live their own lives as a new era of the series begins (what d’you mean they’re all actors!?), and excitement, to see what the future will hold for the Doctor now he’s in his eleventh incarnation. And although we understand that it’s hard to sum up just how you’re feeling, we invite you to leave your thoughts about tonight’s finale in our episode discussion.

It’s been a long road, but was it worth the wait? Was it everything you wanted it to be and more? Are you disappointed by his final chapter? Have you run out of tissues? Whatever’s going on in your head right now, try and make sense of all the chaos and let us know in a comment on this post!

We hope you enjoyed the show, and thanks for joining us for what can only be described as one of the biggest Doctor Who events in its 46 year history. The Tenth Doctor may have left the building, but he’ll never leave our hearts.

» For all we’ve got on The End of Time - click here!

admin Discussions, The End of Time

  1. elbanshee
    January 2nd, 2010 at 03:47 | #1

    I am absolutely exhausted. A year of anticipation, hours trying to find a complete version to watch online (because the ABC won’t show it here in Australia until the end of time) and an hour and 15 mins on an emotional rollercoaster — I need a little lie down to recover. I loved it! Not the mysterious midnight monster, not the master or the timelords… Wilf knocking four times — fantastic! I don’t want to go… perfect! Getting his reward… awwww. The only time I was sucked out of the story by a critical thought was hearing Billie Piper who should have tried harder to get her accent right — was much more call girl than chav.

    I am sorry, so sorry that Ten is gone but I loved it and have my fingers crossed that I will love Matt too.

  2. Bridget
    January 2nd, 2010 at 04:31 | #2

    My Doctor is dead … it’s going to take me a little while to get over that …. I cried and I cried … What final words !!!! they were brilliant … because it summed up my feelings exactly … goodbye 10 and thankyou David

  3. elbanshee
    January 2nd, 2010 at 04:42 | #3

    Allonz-y Alonso for the next series of Torchwood??? Surely the Doctor wouldn’t spend his final moment just getting Jack a date in a bar.

  4. AC
    January 2nd, 2010 at 06:50 | #4

    Not bad, but not great. I’d give the 2-parter a B-. I like how The Master kept turning into a skull w/ eyeballs — that ties in rather nicely w/ The Master’s “last regeneration” as seen in the Tom Baker era. But I did not like:
    - James Bond is Rassilon? Really? Where did that come from?
    - The unexplained Mystery Woman — Huh? How was she projecting herself to Wilf? Why? I like the speculation that she may be Romana or Susan (being the Doctor’s mother would be just too far out there, with no rational basis). I would compare The Woman to The Watcher — another convenient plot device that made no sense. Also it was way too similar to how Rose projected herself into Series 4.
    - RTD’s annoying signature touches, including: (1) “Visions”/prophecies (way too convenient, an uncreative way to fix gaping plot holes); (2) His need to bring back every single alien/significant character he’s ever created for the series; (3) His need to infuse the GAY AGENDA into DW (i.e., making Alonso gay [tho I know the actor who plays him is in real life; that's fine, but RTD needs to stop beating us over the head with gay characters & references, they are in every single friggin' show, I am all for gay equality, but gimme a break])
    - Too many similarities to Star Wars! (The Time Lords’ “Senate” chamber; the Master’s funeral pyre; the bar with lots of aliens mulling about)

    Anyway. B-. Better than Logopolis. But I still prefer Planet of the Spiders & Caves of Androzani to this regeneration story any day.

  5. AC
    January 2nd, 2010 at 06:53 | #5

    Thought Matt Smith’s debut was awesome. Can’t wait for the new series.

  6. Steve
    January 2nd, 2010 at 11:27 | #6

    What a disappointment and so typical of RTD! The plot lasted about 10 minutes, the remaining time was lost in stupid sentiment and loads of standing around. Very much a rip of off Star Wars! It could have been an epic but ended as an average story line. Questions abound.What happened to President Romana? How did Rassilon return if his body is held in the Death Zone? Why was there any need to use the last 15 to 20 minutes for the Doctor to pop round and see all his companions? I mean, Micky and Martha? What the hell? Is Luke really that stupid? Even Captain Jack…..what was the point? Following last years, ‘oh, I thought I would just shrug of my regeneration’ we had ‘I will just hang onto this body even though I absorbed more radiation that is possible’ Very disappointing. I hope Moffatt brings Doctor Who back to a more stable and exciting platform. And hopefully, no families! What a bore that was!

  7. Rhi
    January 2nd, 2010 at 13:18 | #7

    I left the TV at the end, leaving a pool of tears behind. It came so quickly! I watched Doctor Who Confidential too, even though it made me cry more. The 11th Doctor looks better than I anticipated (I hoped he would be so bad the fans would demand David back and win) but from the trailer, he seems more vicious. More than once I saw him with a gun. Anyway, I’m going to watch the first series five episode and then decide whether to watch Doctor Who ever again. I hope David shows up again!

    FROM TRAILER: Weeping angels and daleks are returning!

  8. Shauna Curtis
    January 2nd, 2010 at 18:04 | #8

    I so sad that David has gone, but there will never be another like him! David was and is and always will be my Doctor Who! The end of time was fantastic, it blew me away! I especially loved how he went back and did things for his former companions. It broke my heart though to see how he and Rose was looking at each other and then Sigma showed up and helped him to the Tardis to die! He went out with a bang!

  9. Shauna Curtis
    January 2nd, 2010 at 18:04 | #9

    @Rhi
    I’m with ya!

  10. Anna
    January 2nd, 2010 at 18:13 | #10

    I pretty much didn’t breathe for the last 45 minutes. There were so many things that I loved, and they mostly outweigh the niggling things that harmed the plot. I thought the time lords and the master were well done, though certainly it was only a glimpse of the time war and not a full explanation. The doctor, despite being incredibly raw and vulnerable, was more the 10th doctor we’ve come to love (”worst rescue EVER!” and the Allons-y speech). The best writing was the way the “a time lord lives too long” was woven through from the conversation with Wilf until the final sacrifice. He could just manipulate Wilf into sacrificing himself, he’s just a little person after all…and the final act of the doctor’s life would be murder.

    The “reward” was certainly self-indulgent, and it turned off the person I was watching with, who isn’t a long-term fan, but I loved it completely. Alonso and Jack, even Verity Newman. But WTH Mickey and Martha???? What happened to Tom Milligan? IMO that was completely unnecessary - seeing them as colleagues was enough. I still am not sure about Claire Bloom’s character. My guess had been that she was the Inquisitor - because of RTD and JG shushing themselves when discussing her white costume during the Part 1 commentary. But the look over the shoulder seems to suggest that it’s a connection to Donna.

    It was a perfect ending to return to Rose’s estate. The tenth doctor staggers back into the TARDIS across that courtyard, completing the circle of when he staggered out in the grips of regeneration during the Christmas Invasion. I’m not making any judgments on MS yet, but I do hope that Geronimo doesn’t become the catchphrase…

  11. Lee
    January 2nd, 2010 at 21:08 | #11

    Such a brilliant episode. So charismatic, funny and heartbreaking. Well done RTD and DT for a superb performance. Nice to see all the gang making cameos, wonder why Martha was married to Mickey. Obviously it didn’t all work out with Tom Milligan? :)

  12. pirko
    January 2nd, 2010 at 21:43 | #12

    About the whole Martha/Micky marriage thing. I questioned that at first and thought how was that supposed to happen. But then I remembered they walked off together after Journeys End so maybe they spent more time together and, well stuff happens. I now think it was a nice last minute twist to the episode

  13. Allons-y
    January 3rd, 2010 at 04:37 | #13

    Geez, give Matt Smith a break. He was on screen for a total of about 45 seconds and some are already criticising him for being too much like Tennant. Every Doctor has been completely disoriented after regeneration - the Fifth even went through a brief phase in the beginning of “Castrovalva” when he used various catchphrases and habits of his prior incarnations.

    As for the episode, it was less than I expected after all of the leadup to it. The end of time itself, as an event, was relatively brief and somewhat anticlimactic. I hate how Russell T Davies brings back major enemies and plot points from the old series for the end of each season. Gallifrey appeared as a plot contrivance, not as an integral part of the story. That was disappointing. But, the Master’s resurrection made up for it.

    I also found the soundtrack to be far too loud and “crashbangwallopy”, drowning out important dialogue.

    To me, the best part of this two-parter was the Doctor coming to terms with his impending regeneration. His scenes with Wilf were touching, two old souls commiserating with each other. The fact that the Doctor sacrificed one of his incarnations to save a human speaks volumes about the affection the Doctor has for the human race - and for Wilf.

    A close second was the Master’s total insanity. I couldn’t help but giggle every time I saw some of the six billion versions of the Master, dressed in womens’ clothing, or Chinese military outfits, or even as Barack Obama. John Simm played the role with just the right amount of madness.

    So, that’s it. The Tenth Doctor has passed into history. Let’s bring on the Eleventh, with a new face, a new producer, a new version of the theme,

  14. Ez
    January 3rd, 2010 at 05:53 | #14

    First, I already like Matt Smith as 11, just based on the regeneration! Maybe he is acting a little like 10 but give him time; he’s only just regenerated.

    Second, I thought that the Doctor going back and saving or helping all his old friends was well done and completely in character of the 10th Doctor
    But Martha and Mickey?! No! What about Tom?? I’m all for happy endings but that is just too cliche.
    To everyone who doesn’t like the Jack/Alfonso development: That actually made me laugh. Jack needs someone. I think it’s perfect in a strange way. He won’t replace Ianto but let’s hope it brings Jack back to Earth. And Jack will be good for him. Give him some character in case he joins Torchwood ;)

    Third, the return of the Time Lords could have been developed SO much more, and the story was rushed out of the way with too many plot holes and unnecessary plot developments.

    I give the plot a B-. I love Donna but I’m not sure I liked her place in this story. I would have liked to see A LOT more of the Time Lords and Gallifrey but I think that the Doctor’s final acts of kindness made up for that.

    I loved his rant when Wilf was stuck in the chamber. 10 had the option to leave Wilf and live but 10 knew that he would never do that. Who knew that “he will knock four times” was referring to Wilf?? Ha! Brilliant.

    Also, it’s so sad that he had to regenerate alone, but there you are.
    And 11 seems happier so lets hope he can leave behind some of the regret and guilt that plagued 10

  15. Ez
    January 3rd, 2010 at 06:09 | #15

    Of course when I say Alfonso I mean Alonso
    Sorry, the regeneration messed with my brain :P

  16. cynet
    January 3rd, 2010 at 10:37 | #16

    Well episode 1 was dissapointing and episode 2 was a little better and still not my favourite regeneration though, falls to Tom Baker for me.
    Right where do i start, ok the woman, was she the doctors mother, grnadmother, sister, who knows and made no sense. To many holes in the plot for me and was dissapointed the timelords were nasty, when we all know they were always peace keepers of time and space.
    Will miss David Tennant he was born for the role, but wont miss russell t davies scripts though, alot of them were mish mash of gay stories and romances between doc and his assistants.
    Bring on Stephen Moffat a true fan as well and to me a better writer when it comes to doctor who and Matt Smith looks good already, cant wait.

  17. Allons-y
    January 3rd, 2010 at 14:42 | #17

    It’s been speculated somewhere that the woman who appeared to Wilf was the White Guardian. Have to go all the way back to the “Key to Time” series with Tom Baker for that one. If that is the case, it implies that Wilf is something more than a mere human. It will be interesting to see if Moffatt exploits this plot ambiguity in the coming season. I wouldn’t mind seeing more of Wilf. He made a very strong character, perhaps one of the strongest companions ever.

  18. pirko
    January 3rd, 2010 at 15:15 | #18

    Right I am sick of everyone having a pop at RTD for his scripts, even when everyone loves the episodes. Ive ranted before about this so I’m not doing so again. RTD brought dr who to a NEW audience (a brand new legion of fans) which is what the series wanted. If moffatt wants to take everyone back to the old series, fine, but that will only alienate audiences.

    And because I am sick of the same argument, I am leaving whoviannet and hope steven moffat’s version of the show dies on impact! just to prove a point. Thanks Russell, Julie, Phil and Davd for a fantastic new era.

  19. john
    January 3rd, 2010 at 15:21 | #19

    I still cry at the ending. Best episode ever no matter what anyone says. RTD has done pure who gold and the world doesn’t bully whovians anymore. Because even if people don’t want to admit it they have watched it once in there life. That was all RTD and DT and I thank them with my heart for it all.

  20. January 3rd, 2010 at 18:00 | #20

    I’m going to agree with pirko and ask that people stop slating RTD so much. He gave us everything that is New Who! Rose. Doomsday. Jenny. The ninth and tenth Doctors. The new TARDIS design. The longer episodes. The self contained stories. All of this was his idea! We owe a lot to Russell T Davies.

Comment pages
  1. No trackbacks yet.