Silences, Rivers and Songs – Series 6 discussion

July 27th, 2010
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The spring series of Series 6 has been and gone, but the first action-packed seven episodes have left us a TARDIS load of unanswered questions and unexplained mysteries…

Suffice to say, Steven Moffat has definitely provided us with more than enough to keep our overactive brains occupied until the Doctor returns in Let’s Kill Hitler in the autumn, so let’s get started, shall we? Of course, we now finally know who River really is, but just what is her relationship with the Doctor? And who was the girl in the spacesuit?

Feel free to speculate away on this post, a link to which will be posted on the sidebar so you can check back to see what our other visitors make of all the latest developments.

715 comments on this article
  1. Lee
    July 27th, 2010 at 11.32pm | #1

    I am really loving this storyline! I have no clue who is behind it, (though it did sound awfully like Davros in the Tardis) but who knows, I can’t wait to lie back and find out next year! :)

  2. Sunni
    July 27th, 2010 at 11.35pm | #2

    I think it will be something really, really obvious.

  3. e.p
    July 28th, 2010 at 1.27am | #3

    As much as I love the Daleks/Davros I’m hoping it’s not him because I think we need a short break from the Daleks. They can only come back so many times before it gets annoying (Victory of the Daleks, anyone?).

    I really want it to be Omega. Mind you I have absolutely no evidence that it could be him but I think it would be a nice nod to Classic Who. ;)

    @Lee
    And the arc is now covering two whole series, instead of just one! I love that Moffat’s really given us something to chew on.

  4. Alex
    July 28th, 2010 at 4.24am | #4

    What I find really cool about Moffat not giving us all the answers at the end of Series 5 is it has given us the first true multi-season arc (discounting end-of-season cliffhangers that carry over, of course). The only thing I can compare it to is the early seasons where the background arc was “who is the Doctor” (that one technically ran from 1963 to 1969).

    As for who is behind it, as far as I’m concerned we can put Davros, the Daleks and The Master into the “no chance” pile. For one thing they were all done fully by Davies. Yes, there were Daleks involved in the Big Bang, but so were the Zygons. The only reason we saw a Dalek come back to life was because it managed to be preserved. It could have just as easily been a Cyberman. The Master’s arc ended in The End of Time. It won’t be him. If the answer is “right in front of us” then the Dream Lord becomes a candidate. River Song is another (we don’t know who she is, really). Prisoner Zero, too. If I were a betting man I’d probably place 50 cents on Vincent Van Gogh, just because it would be a cool way to mess with history to have HIM be the big bad. I have faith in Moffat to think out of the box (pardon the pun), and either give us a twist on what we saw this past season, regenerate an old enemy (the Toymaker, perhaps?) or create the next unique addition to his rogues gallery after “Are You My Mummy”, the clockwork people, the Weeping Angels, and the Vashta Nerada. I loved Season 5 to bits but I will agree we never really got a “new” monster this year from Moffat. The space whale and the smilers hardly count.

  5. Ruby
    July 28th, 2010 at 10.11am | #5

    It did sound a lot like Davros in the TARDIS and although I really liked him in Journey’s End I hope it isn’t him, I want a break from daleks and a new villan (or a classic one that hasnt been used before)
    As for River Song it’s pretty clear Moffat wants everyone to think she’s going to be his wife, but is that right? Would he really marry her? Could she be the one who kills him? We’ll have to wait and see

  6. JC
    July 28th, 2010 at 10.49am | #6

    Just to start, I personally really didn’t like the open ended nature of Season 5 and it left Season 5 feeling very unfulfilled for me, as if I’d just watched Season 5 Part 1 and Season 6 will be Season 5 Part 2, which I really can’t appreciate, I used to enjoy that a Season could make you ask questions in the knowledge that Episode 13 was going to explode with answers, ending the Season with a bang and in the next Season, we’d go again.

    I can appreciate what people say about a multi-season story arc, the issue for me is that the multi-season story arc was the main focus of Season 5, when really, I think it should have been something in the background. I don’t know, I know a lot of Season 5 fans will disagree with everything I’ve said, but I think that Season 5 was almost wasted in that it seems not to have an identity of it’s own, it’s merely the build-up to Season 6 almost.

    The main thing about Season 5 were the cracks. The cracks were caused by the Tardis exploding, but it was only exploding because someone from Season 6 had made that happen, so in “part 2″ of Season 5, we find out who was controlling the Tardis, how and why along with a load of other questions that would have usually have been answered in episodes 12 and 13.

    That’s just my opinion though, I’ve been trying to stay out of……….debates on here lately, so that’s just my view.

    I’m not sure I believe it was Davros saying Silence Will Fall. I’ve watched Journey’s End recently and Davros sounded quite different to that voice. There are similarities, but if you put them side by side, there are pitch differences and none of that Dalek rattle to the voice, but I suppose it’s possible.

    I think it would be really sad if River Song was the end of the Doctor. His death would bring about the end of Doctor Who, not just a break like from the 7th to the 8th Doctor, it’d literally be the end of the Doctor’s life and the show, so I’m hoping that River Song doesn’t kill him permanently.

    I don’t know if she’s his wife, if she was it’d have been made incredibly obvious, but if she isn’t, I’ll be very interested to finally have the mystery solved.

    I’m confused by the character, because River says that when he meets her in Season 6 (presumed), that’s when everything will change and she’s sorry for that. In the Library though, she had his sonic screwdriver with a device inside that stored an imprint of her conciousness, so will the Doctor do that for her?……….Also in the library, she called for her Doctor and was seemingly surprised to see the 10th Doctor turn up, so does that mean she’s still on friendly terms with the Doctor, did he recieve her message and deliberately ignore her when she called because of what will happen, did he deliberately ignore her because the events of the library were part of his previous incarnations timelne or was River’s communication just a broad transmission to all of the Doctors in the hope that one of them would turn up, I have no idea.

    We also have to remember that the Doctor has some kind of inkling as to who she is, because she knows his real name and the 10th Doctor said there’s only one way she could know that, but on that note, I and a number of friends hope that we don’t learn his real name.

    River Song is a very intriguing character and I’m hoping Alex Kingston’s character gets the reveal and role she deserves after all this time.

  7. JC
    July 28th, 2010 at 10.57am | #7

    Furthermore, sorry for the second post, but in the Library, River Song was surprised the 10th Doctor didn’t remember her, suggesting that at first, she believed the 10th Doctor to be another regeneration of the 11th Doctor, suggested also by asking if he remembered the Crash of the Byzantium of Season 5, this coming from the woman who’s always talking about spoilers.

    Again, could be another ruse, but I have some doubt whether it was.

  8. cynet
    July 28th, 2010 at 11.11am | #8

    This to me makes sense as it being a two season story as it would fit in perfectly with Matt bowing out the end of season 6 as the unconfirmed reports have suggested.

  9. Alex Smith
    July 28th, 2010 at 11.46am | #9

    Matt Smith is staying put hes not leavibg after season 6

  10. robert
    July 28th, 2010 at 8.19pm | #10

    This is why I don’t read the Sun.

    A lot of rubbish they come up with.

  11. TE
    July 28th, 2010 at 8.47pm | #11

    @cynet
    @Alex Smith
    Exactly. The story about Matt leaving at the end of Series Six is just tabloid nonsense. When he was announced as the Eleventh Doctor, it was rumoured (might even be a fact) that Matt had signed on for three years with the possibility of five.

    To be honest, the two-series story arc seems to be more about closing a story and leaving the Doctor alone once more. Amy could possibly leave at the end of Series Six, meaning Rory would leave too and we can pretty much gather that Series Six will be the last time we see River Song – maybe for the time being, maybe forever: who knows.

  12. Steve
    July 28th, 2010 at 9.59pm | #12

    One person everyone seems to be avoiding is the Doctor. There is a big danger coming which will cause the Doctor to split into 2. The Valeyard, the Dream Lord… what part of teh Doctor will be appearing next……….

  13. pirko
    July 28th, 2010 at 10.46pm | #13

    At the risk of sounding dumb but is there ANY possibility that River Song could be The Rani but in deep undercover? I dont know much about The Rani, I just thought I’d ask as she is one of many classic villains who havent returned yet

  14. e.p
    July 29th, 2010 at 3.12am | #14

    @pirko
    That has crossed my mind, as well as the possibility of her being Romana, but it’s probably just me hoping for a huge throw-back to the classics

  15. Professor Zed
    July 29th, 2010 at 6.37am | #15

    If River Song were the Rani or Romana, the Doctor would “sense” that she was a Time Lord. Right? Of course, perhaps she’s been “arched” like the Doctor in “Human Nature/Family of Blood” and the Master in “Utopia”. But then, even SHE doesn’t know that she’s the Rani or Romana. Right?

  16. Professor Zed
    July 29th, 2010 at 6.54am | #16

    Who is powerful enough to cause the TARDIS to blow-up, thus destroying the Universe and all parallel Universes? (No, that wasn’t a play on words.)

    Hey, wait a minute. When all the Universes were destroyed, along with everything in all those Universes, then wouldn’t who ever it is that is powerful enough to cause the TARDIS to blow-up have been destroyed along with everything/everyone in all those Universes?

    I wouldn’t think that any such being would want to be destroyed along with all the Universes and thus have to count on the Doctor to save all the Universes as he ended up doing in “The Big Bang”.

    Therefore, whoever that being is that is powerful enough to cause the destruction of the TARDIS and therefore all the Universes, would have to be a being who lives outside all those Universes.

    Not even Omega survives that technicality.

    Celestial Toymaker, perhaps?

    Either that, or Q !

    Ooooh… what if the Celestial Toymaker and Q (I’m talking Q from “Star Trek: The Next Generation” in case you didn’t know.) What if the Celestial Toymaker and Q are ONE AND THE SAME!

    Also, why at the conclusion of “Vampires Of Venice”, did “silence fall”? Was the silence that fell over Venice the actual “Silence” as in “silence will fall”? Or was it some other sort of “plain old” silence that fell?

    Is the “SILENCE” actually the Vashta Nerada who showed up in the episode entitled, “SILENCE In The Library”? Or is that just a Steven Moffat created coincidence?

    And what if this 2-season story arc doesn’t conclude at the end of series 6? Maybe Moffat has big plans to continue this arc all the way through series 7, 8, 9 and 10? Could we all hang on that long to learn what it all means? WOULD we all hang on that long?

    I was one of the ones in the “Hey, we didn’t get all the answers like I was expecting” category at the conclusion of “The Big Bang”. I certainly am looking forward to Series 6, but darn it, I want answers! GREAT BIG SATISFYING ANSWERS!

  17. Laurie
    July 29th, 2010 at 11.25am | #17

    What if the Doctor himself, in his own future, brings the TARDIS to blow up for any reason?

  18. TE
    July 29th, 2010 at 11.39am | #18

    @Professor Zed
    Well, speaking of Silence: why did Silence fall at the end of reality in The Pandorica Opens?

  19. pirko
    July 29th, 2010 at 2.48pm | #19

    @ Professor Zed. Don’t forget Professor Yana didnt know he was the master until the very end so anything is possible. I do hope that her identity lives up to the hype and its a through story. But Im sure Moffat will deliver a fully detailed and gripping resolve to her.

    Now I don’t follow the classic series but I have heard that the silence could be a character called Omega- can someone explain who that is or whether that theory fits?

    @Professor Zed

    It would be interesting to see if the story arch goes over a few series but if Im honest I don’t think (personally) Moffat will do as many years as RTD. He is a very popular writer and involved with many more projects than DW, so he may not do as many. I hope Im proven wrong of course

  20. TE
    July 29th, 2010 at 4.05pm | #20

    @pirko
    But, then again, he is the writer who turned down an opportunity to work on further projects with Spielberg, just so he could become Head Writer and Executive Producer of Doctor Who.

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