I don’t want to say this (but that won’t stop me): I think it’ll be weird when Torchwood becomes international. Torchwood was always synonomous with Cardiff. It’s a little Welsh organisation which saves the world and is always going to be overlooked, because why would there be a world-saving organisation in Cardiff? “They’d be measuring the velocity of a hotdog!” (Thank you for the quote, PC Andy). I hope I’m wrong, but I’m not sure it’ll feel the same.

If what Entertainment Weekly say is true, I’m not comfortable with what is in one of the blank spaces above. It is Torchwood, so I don’t disagree they’re allowed to go there, it’s just difficult to see where someone like that would fit in.

As for what you said TSG, I’ve had much the same thoughts, especially when they were talking about Eve moving to America or Canada………..ok, so we already know they’re filming there, but if they’re moving there, they’re probably gonna be there quite some time, which could suggest quite a lot of Season 4 will be America based, when I was hoping it wouldn’t be.

Still, I have a open mind and will watch it whenever it comes out, we’ll have to see what occurs.

@TSG
It won’t be the same, but I think all hope of the same Torchwood was lost when 3/5 of the original characters were killed off (I’m still bitter about that, but never mind me), and Gwen got pregnant.

Still, I agree with JC. I’ll definitely be watching, and I’m keeping an open mind. It’ll be interesting to see what they do with this, since moving out of Cardiff actually does infinitely expand Torchwood’s possibilities.

There is every justification to boycott Torchwood based on the character of Oswald Jones (highlight above) – it is sick and unnecessary. I would not be surprised if it is true as it would be typical of RMeD!!!

Yes, let’s boycott it without ever seeing it! Disgusting! And so on, and so forth.

Okay, that’s dealt with.

I can’t say I’ve ever really though of it as a welsh show. Plus, there were supposed to be Torchwood’s all over the World; there was one in London, remember? Who cares about where it’s set, or what kind of characters we get, just so long as it’s good?

@TWWL Sorry but I do not see the need to have character who is a pedophile in any program. It is insensitive and insulting to those who like the program and have been victims of these (I was going to say animals bit that is insulting to animals) sick people. Explain the justification….

@Steve
Firstly, we don’t know for sure that these details are correct, I’ve seen them discredited elsewhere.

Secondly, if they are correct, we have no idea how the character or his story is going to play out, so making any judgment is premature, kneejerk and makes you look no better than an ill informed Tabloid headline.

Thirdly, the idea of using a character like that would not be taken lightly, how about trusting the artistic instincts of those behind the show and, if they have chosen to explore a character with that background, give them a little credit that they may do so in a way that is mature and artistically valid.

Fourthly, you don’t see the need to explore a character like that in ANY programme as it’s insensitive to people who have encountered such people in real life? Come on, that’s just silly. By that logic there really should be no murderers portrayed on TV, what about the families of people who really have been murdered? Or rapists, what about all the people who have suffered that horrific fate? Or bullies; what about the people who have had their lives made hell by a bully, some even going so far as to take their own lives?

At the end of the day, we don’t know anything yet, not even if the character breakdowns are in any way true to what is really happening, so let’s all get a grip and trust that whatever ends up on screen, the writers haven’t bundled into it lightly.

That’s just my personal take on it obviously, I know many others won’t be able to feel the same way, it’s a thorny subject.

With a show like Torchwood, you know a character like Oswald Jones would be someone seeking redemption, trying to change his ways and become a better person.

Talking of characters, could the move to America see the return of Captain Hart?

@TWWL True, we don’t know anything. However, there is no justification for a pedophile in the series. You make a valid point in point 4 but there are programs out there that can justifiably cover these topics and do it sensitively and appropriately. Still no justification for a pedophile in the series. This is RMeD we are talking about and that man can lower the tone of any tv show he writes!

@Steve

Dude u really need to lighten up a bit, i agree with you that britsh and american show formular usally dosnt work, and this is probably going to fail, but seriously man? no need to get all sceneative about it, these are real issues in life, and i think that u need to grow up bro

@TE
I hope captin hart returns! he was a great charector

Oh Steve doesnt like an RTD idea without giving it chance…ooh what a surprise!!

@TWWL

Top marks on owning steve on this discussion. I agree completely with u

@Steve
steve, y do u watch DW or TW if all u can do is criticise it?

@The 13th Doctor I don’t criticise DW, only RmeD who has this superiority complex about his contribution to DW. Certain people on here seem to have forgotten DW has been going a long time and there have been producers and writers who have been produced stronger better stories than the drivel he wrote and allowed his quorum of mates to write. He had dragged down DW to a level that relied on sex as a necessity to bring about ratings. Fortunately, SM is not only a better writer but has returned DW to a more adventure driven show written by a variety of good authors.
This need, if it turns out to be true, of having a pedophile is driven by his some what sick desire to shock. Why couldn’t this character be a criminal and thats the end of it.

As for Pirko wanting me to give his ideas a go, lets follow the argument through and say SM wanted to use Torchwood in a future story, would you really think it is a good idea to have a pedophile in DW? Lets go one step further, what about Sarah Jane Adventures?

@ Steve

Simple retort to that point above….WHO actually WROTE Captain Jack as ominsexual/bisexual in DW…Steven Moffat! Moffat wrote that character and it never bothered the fans

Yes! I agree that having a paedophile character in Torchwood is a very dodgy topic (just as killing a child in COE was) but that show is designed to be adult content and delves into stories that they can not ever do on DW. And your argument for “oh what would happen if they brought that character into DW” cos a) Moffat is never likely to crossover the shows- hes said that personally- and the TW/ SJA are not his shows so he has no reson to bring them in.

and IF (very big IF) he did include TW, that character’s past would never be referred to as its mainly a kids/family show and that does not belong in DW.

I just think you are better waiting until you find out if he is a permanent character first before u start dismissing it

@Steve1) There has already been a pedophile character in TW. Remember in series 1 the episode “Small Worlds” (with the fairy alien things)? The man was killed by the fairies because he tried to mess with their “chosen one”. Don’t jump to conclusions about the new series because one of the characters is *rumored* to be a pedo. No one said he would be part of the new TW team, anyway. What if he’s a villain?2) I fail to see where RTD has a “superiority complex”. Of course DW existed before him but you wouldn’t have anything to complain about if he hadn’t sat down and written a new series back in 2004.Torchwood actually is RTD’s creation, and in my opinion he improved with each series. (Looking back series 1 was pretty awful, but think how good Children of Earth was!)4) I don’t think his goal is to “shock”, either. Maybe you don’t agree with some of his points of view, and that’s fine. But DW has always been a little “out there”. Even many classic episodes can be read as very political.5) Controversial topics in Torchwood is nothing new either, and the writers/producers have always been very good about keeping the two (or three if you include SJA) series separate. Sure, they all exist in the same universe, but when they are combined they cater to the lowest common denominator, which is children. Remember The Stolen Earth/Journey’s End? There was no inappropriate “Torchwoody” stuff in there at all.

@pirko Are you saying that someone who is ominsexual/bisexual is on the same level as someone who is a pedophile?

DW is not RMeD Show either. In fact, all shows are BBC’s shows. Get over yourself with this crap that TW is RMe D show!

I can understand Steve’s point, at a stretch, despite it being extremely difficult, you know, being a 10th Doctor fan and so everything he hates.

I myself watched as another great franchise fell for the sake of the dollar and a much wider, much more generic and far less dedicated fanbase, that only wanted meaningless explosions and next to no story and I was as……..passionate about my distaste of the changes as Steve seems to be about the RTD era, and I actually stopped being a fan of that franchise.

So despite leaving another franchise that, in it’s new incarnation, was very shallow, effects ridden and pointless, I’m on the other side when it comes to Doctor Who.

I am a fan of the revived series, the 10th Doctor was great in my opinion and while I very much respect the classic series (how can you not as it is the majority of Doctor Who so far), I find it difficult to actually watch, so I prefer to read about it on the Wikis.

So I think I can just about understand Steve’s point, if it’s similar to what I felt when the other franchise I was a fan of bit the dust, but I really can’t say I agree with it, because I became a fan of Doctor Who because it was able to replace, and in some cases, very much better what I’d got in the other franchise before.

It’s all opinion though, so hopefully nothing I’ve said will create anymore debating, or at least not contribute too much to this one, lol

To clarify, I meant that I left one franchise that had become very shallow, effects ridden and pointless for Doctor Who, which was much closer to the kind of show I wanted.

@JC Hi JC, despite what people say about me on here, I don’t hate the 10th Doctor. Overall (and I have been watching DW since the very early 70’s) he is probably in my bottom 3. I just don’t like RMeD anymore. Pretty much brought on by the sloppy stories in the last year and the way people idolise him and are not prepared to see both sides of the story. Thanks for your comments.