Silences, Rivers and Songs – Series 6 discussion
It was in The Eleventh Hour we were first told of the mysterious silence, but we’re still no closer to finding out what it is, or, more importantly, what’s behind it…
Steven Moffat has promised us that all of our questions will be answered in Series 6, and we’ve been left with plenty of clues to dissect until it hits our screens! What ominous figure could possibly blow up the TARDIS, and what could be their motives for doing it? We’ve also heard what’s seemingly their voice – does it sound at all familiar?
Could it have anything to do with River Song, who’s identity we’ll also discover next year? In The Big Bang she told the Doctor that everything will change when he finally learns who she is – not the most inviting of prophecies, and we’re sure you’ve all got your own weird and wonderful theories whizzing aimlessly through your Doctor Who obsessed minds. So, it’s about time we gave you somewhere to share them, isn’t it?
Feel free to speculate the remaining nights until Christmas away on this post, a link to which will be posted on the sidebar so you can check back to see what our other visitors make of this ever-growing series arc. People say silence is a virtue, but something tells us things will be far from virtuous for the Doctor when this particular one takes over…
@MWAnderson
you my friend are a genius ,
I was just watching the new series trailer again and it hit me what river song kills! And no its not the doctor come on…America in what looks like the 1960’s…river kills a great man sum would call him the greatst man ever!
KENNEDY!! SHE KILLS KENNEDY!!!
@trevor chalkley
But Kennedy is American. Doctor Who is British. They couldn’t do that, not with the majority of fandom being British. Could they?
@trevor chalkley
you could be right there. very good theory on who river kills
@Ilovereadinganddoctorwho
If we have learned anything from the series 4 episode “THE FIRES OF POMPEII” is that not only must a fixed point in time happen but sum times the doctor must make it or let it happen!we have seen how history could have been changed for the worst in the red dwarf episode “TIKKA TO RIDE”.So maybe its gona just be one of those things that the doctor has to live with!?
And as for the fact that Kennedy is American what makes you think that where you come from makes you safe? Just ask all the pepole from “DALEKS IN MANHATTAN” OR “STOLEN EARTH/JOURNEY’S END”!!
Have seen the trailer a few more times and it clicked in to place that in one of the clips you can see a roswell gray in a dark room witch means that the story in set in new mex- not dallis so Kennedy is out! sorry for getting your hopes up for sum big history moment. still “Dreamland” not to bad! And that make the bit where the doctor is chained up fit in.
I have a theory!
First of all, the OOD are definetly important beings. That much is certain. Knowing that, we must realize something: The OOD are evolving evenf aster then the timelords did. That was never explained as to why.
My theory then is that the OOD cause the silence. The Silent could be a very evolved OOD. If the ood got to the point that they became as time lords, they might accidentally destroy the universe. This would make smoe sense because of the Green eyed OOD in the trailor.
As for River (who I love! River rules!) I can only hope she is the Doctor’s wife. She fits him dead perfectly.
at the end of ‘flesh and stone’ the river says “i’ll see you again, when the pandorica opens” and then the doctor replies to her “thats just a fairy tale” and then she says to him “aren’t we all” look at the expression on the doctors face…
@Zinbo
I hope she’s his wife as well. I’m vacillating between thinking it’s far too obvious and thinking that it’s a double bluff.
So River can not be his wife, way to obvious. But I think that the time lords are returned, hidden from The Doctor. I find a lot of clues supporting that some have at least; somebody built a TARDIS; somebody, not The Doctor, taught River Song to fly the TARDIS; and somebody self destructed the TARDIS (which the Time Lords have the ability to do). Just a couple of my thoughts.
@Austin
But River said in the Pandorica Opens that the Doctor taught her how to fly the TARDIS. I quote “You taught me.” So it can’t be the Time Lords returning. Maybe its someone else who can fly the TARDIS.
Even so, there is other evidence. Last night I had another thought, the cracks in the universe are first described as “two parts of space and time which should never have touched” which could be the Time Lords after their death. I know that the TARDIS explosion caused the cracks, but what if it was more like a contributing factor, rather than the main reason. After all I really doubt that whoever blew up the TARDIS meant to destroy the universe, maybe they did not understand the full implications of their return (or something like that).
@Austin
In End of Time part 2 the Time Lords used a White Point Star so they could relocate Gallifrey which would mean destroying Earth. They then got sucked back into the Time War with help from the Master. Unless the Time Lords and Rassilon have another White Point Star I can’t really see them behind everything. Maybe they can use some other “tool” so that they do return. But you could be onto something
I think she’s his mother , The doctors mother was Human so thats why he cant sense her because she isnt a timelord , she learned to write in High Gallifreyan from the Doctors Father, She calls him sweetie (more a motherly word than to that of a spouse) and she’s from the 51st century (the future) the Doctors father could have gone there and fell inlove with her. Btw that woman in the end of time i also believe to be River from the future , as that woman is older
@Kona
Yeah… but River died/was made to live out a dream afterlife typed thing without corporeal form…
What if Someone or something blew up the TARDIS to save River from something or maybe it thought the Doctor was in there and the silence will fall was a very unhelpful warning. Just a thought
River isn’t the Doctor’s mother, simply because her exchanges with the Doctor are far too flirtatious. Consider a mother saying to her son: “You… me… handcuffs. Must it always end this way?” Definitely not a mother-ish type of thing to say.
And as for the man River kills – it is the Doctor. Consider River’s final scene in “Flesh and Stone” and the following dialogue:
Doctor: Octavian said you killed a man.
River: Yes, I did.
Doctor: A good man.
River: A very good man. The best man I’ve ever known
Doctor: Who?
River: It’s a long story, Doctor. Can’t be told; has to be lived. No sneak previews.”
Now, when River looks at the Doctor there is a moment where – and this is down to Ms Kingston’s phenomenal acting – River looks as if she might say, but thinks better of it. Just the fact that the Doctor – and we, as viewers – are “living the story” tells me that River does indeed kill the Doctor. He is, in her eyes, the best man she’s ever known; after all, if someone saved me from execution on a starliner by materialising at just the right point and creating an air corridor to stop me from choking, I’d think they were fantastic. I think that qualifies the Doctor in River’s eyes.
And even if she “kills” the Doctor, who’s to say that the Doctor stays dead? Apart from regeneration there may be some other twist. After all, if we have learned nothing of Mr Moffat’s storytelling style, it is that it is very timey wimey indeed.
As always, just a thought…
Thanks @MWAnderson. I had come to the conclusion that River would have killed the Doctor but I didn’t want to believe it, because I don’t want the Doctor to die! Your last paragraph gave me hope!
So I re watched the trailer for the tenth or so time and had and idea. The images of the small doll like people and the Ood could be connected. What if there was kind of a nightmare house or realm. Amy could be afraid of the dolls. They could represent the ones she made when she was little of her and the doctor. The Ood would scare the Doctor because last time he saw them, his “story was coming to and end”. The astronaut would symbolize to Rory the spaceman(the Doctor) taking Amy away. Just a thought
Also the Doctor mentions he needs a map of Florida. Is that just a throw away line or a connection to something?
Anyone thought that maybe she could be the Doctor or another Time Lord? I mean, she comes from the future so maybe she’s found a way of hiding that she’s a Time Lord from the Doctor. Thoughts?