Silences, Rivers and Songs – Series 6 discussion

July 27th, 2010
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The spring series of Series 6 has been and gone, but the first action-packed seven episodes have left us a TARDIS load of unanswered questions and unexplained mysteries…

Suffice to say, Steven Moffat has definitely provided us with more than enough to keep our overactive brains occupied until the Doctor returns in Let’s Kill Hitler in the autumn, so let’s get started, shall we? Of course, we now finally know who River really is, but just what is her relationship with the Doctor? And who was the girl in the spacesuit?

Feel free to speculate away on this post, a link to which will be posted on the sidebar so you can check back to see what our other visitors make of all the latest developments.

715 comments on this article
  1. amelia
    September 27th, 2011 at 3.30pm | #1

    @Emerald
    I agree TOTALLY. He’s caused a wave of DW addicts who REALLY want to find out everything (me, for example) so he’d better live up to it!!!

    I know I’m referring to an earlier post of mine, but the lyrics to the Night Terrors song seem to have something to do with someone else dying, like – ‘you and I must die’ – and – ‘he cradled and he rocked her’ I can’t help but think of River.

    Oh, hang on, Theory2 on the way. I was thinking that ‘he cradled and he rocked her’ was to do with a dead body, kind of, but it could refer to baby Melody as well. Or any other baby.

    Theory3 as well! ‘that you and I must die’
    If it isn’t the Doctor or River, saying it, then somebody else must die too. My money’s on Rory (but I hope not because I love him!)

    Sorry for all that but my brain went DW-mad!!! :D

  2. chloe
    September 28th, 2011 at 7.49pm | #2

    Most people are saying that it’s a ganger Doctor that gets shot at the lake. But why would The Doctor create a ganger of himself only for him to die, after the events of The Rebel Flesh and The Almost People. The Doctor agreed with the flesh that them and humans are equal, and all deserve to live. Even if he is selfish sometimes, he wouldn’t create something to die in place for him

  3. Emerald
    September 28th, 2011 at 11.55pm | #3

    “He cradled and he rocked her” – I was thinking of baby Melody then, I wonder if she’s going to finally reappear? But then what of the line “We laughed at fate and mourned her”? We know River can’t die, but why do I get a bad feeling from this? And – “When he understood the falling of the silence” – does this mean the Doctor’s figured it out? Who they are, what the question is, and why they need River? He knows who’s in the suit, but how?

    I would just like to also say at this point, IMO – 11 is taking the whole idea of imminent death a lot better than some of his predecessors did. This is at least the second time he’s facing certain death, and he’s walking into it, in a sad but accepting way. He knows he’s got to die, for the good of the universe – but he’s being so, so brave about it. To this day, I remain disappointed by 10’s death – it did the character no justice at all. But here, he’s not scared, or in denial – he’s calm, and strong, and that somehow makes it sadder, and much more befitting of a Timelord. Bravo, all ye writers of Who. Bravo, Matt Smith. Bravo.

  4. Patrick
    September 30th, 2011 at 8.53pm | #4

    Going way back to The Eleventh Hour I wonder if we will ever find out about the 2nd flight of stairs leading to a 3rd floor when its 2 floor storey house from Amy’s house. Has anyone got any thoughts of what might be on the 3rd floor?

  5. Anon
    September 30th, 2011 at 9.02pm | #5

    @chloe
    Actually, I’m surprised I haven’t seen anyone else (besides myself :P ) come up with the idea that, if there *is* a Flesh Doctor involved, then maybe the original Doctor is indeed the one who dies, with the Flesh one continuing on in his stead. (Which would be an absolutely massive twist, but I would actually be okay with that outcome; I mean, they *are* the same person, after all…)

  6. amelia
    September 30th, 2011 at 9.43pm | #6

    oohhh! interesting! just the attic? a perception filter? nothing? some thoughts ;)
    Oh, I am gutted. I can’t watch Doctor Who tomorrow night!!! I’ll have to restrain myself from quick peeks on Whoviannet and watch it on Sunday.
    #relentlessly addicted ;)

  7. Anon
    September 30th, 2011 at 10.01pm | #7

    @chloe
    Actually, I’m surprised I haven’t seen anyone else (besides myself :P) come up with the idea that, if there *is* a Flesh Doctor involved, then maybe the original Doctor is indeed the one who dies, with the Flesh one continuing on in his stead. (Which would be an absolutely massive twist, but I would actually be okay with that outcome; I mean, they *are* the same person, after all…)

  8. Anon
    October 1st, 2011 at 12.20am | #8

    (Sorry about the double post!)

  9. Prisoner 0 / right hand side of the TARDIS
    October 8th, 2011 at 8.05am | #9

    @Patrick
    Well prisoner 0 was in her house, so it might be something todo with him, but River looked up that flight of stairs in ‘The Pardorica opens’ when the Tardis brings her there. I don’t realy know maybe it’s an attic or something. Interesting thought! :P

  10. Patrick
    October 10th, 2011 at 10.31am | #10

    @Prisoner 0 / right hand side of the TARDIS
    But Prisoner Zero isn’t much of a threat. Its like in The Lodger there were them set of stairs that aren’t really there and Prisoner Zero wasn’t in that episode. I knew about River having a quick glance up there. Maybe she knew what or who was up there but couldn’t go in herself as if she is part of it could cause a paradox or something but I hope Moffatt hasn’t forgotten about the series 5 arc with the cracks in the universe and stuff.

  11. Simon
    October 12th, 2011 at 3.12pm | #11

    I think they should bring out a tardis book as an official relaease, tghe one river song has

  12. knitMuse
    October 13th, 2011 at 1.40am | #12

    @Simon
    I’d buy one of those!

  13. amelia
    October 15th, 2011 at 8.52am | #13

    @knitMuse
    Me too!
    In fact, my diary is that exact colour blue. I noticed a few months ago, and IMMEDIATELY made it look like River’s. #totallyobsessed :D

  14. shawn
    December 13th, 2011 at 11.33am | #14

    i still want to find out who was the evil voice in the TARDIS in series 5 and who tryed to blow up the TARDIS in the big bang i hope this gets addressed in series 7

  15. Patrick
    December 15th, 2011 at 10.17pm | #15

    I bring news that Amy and Rory will be leaving at the end of series 7. This is NOT a rumour as it has been confirmed by Moffat himself.

  16. Patrick
    January 9th, 2012 at 10.45am | #16

    There are rumours that the Yeti (monster of the classic era)are returning. What does everyone make of this?

  17. Grace
    January 11th, 2012 at 5.13am | #17

    There were many proposed events River Song mentioned when she opened her little blue book to ask the Doctor if they’d experienced certain events yet. Many of them seemed like they could have been fun and I’d hoped they would have done a couple more. The Crash of the ByZantium certainly was! So was the Pandorica’s opening!

    But really I’m like Shawn: Who was the behind the evil voice in the TARDIS? If they’d only answer that one I’d be satisfied!

  18. Grace
    January 11th, 2012 at 5.22am | #18

    Wait, so I was reading through old Amy Pond facts and a curious question came up. If Amy was supposed to be in Scotland with her parents (who died in the original timeline) how did she still end up in the same house where her aunt was supposed to have lived when the doctor restored them?

    And why did the doctor still say it was a house with too many rooms? Whatever happened with that?

  19. Patrick
    January 14th, 2012 at 6.52pm | #19

    @Grace
    I also want to know why there is 3 floors in amys house in leadworth but that depends if steven and co ever re-visit that house where i think there could be answers that the Doctor may be looking for which would help him with the cracks in time and the exploding TARDIS

  20. Bad Wolf
    January 15th, 2012 at 5.28pm | #20

    @ Grace & Patrick

    Furthermore, I still don’t understand the Series 5 main events (and some of Series 6 to an extent). Who or what caused the TARDIS’s explosion and why ?
    Why : the obvious answer is to kill the Doctor and avoid the events of the Fields of Trenzalore, whatever they are. But wouldn’t an entity who is clever enough to destroy the TARDIS check who was inside before blowing it ?
    Who : the obvious answer is the Silence. Sure, destroying the TARDIS and the Doctor would prevent the events of the Fields of Trenzalore to happen, but the cost seems way too expensive : the end of the Universe, thus the end of the Silence itself (unless it exists beyond the Universe). How could what happens at Trenzalore be worse than destroying the Universe ? Maybe the plan was to allow the Doctor to reboot the Universe, but still… why ?

    The Silence (and the Academy of the Question) need to be explained, and the sooner the better. Now we know the monsters introduced in The Impossible Astronaut are only a part of the Silence. Did they only invade Earth to get an Astronaut suit for Melody/River ? What were they doing on Earth : they occupied the undergrounds, and then… what ? Did they influence the planet’s evolution ? How and why ? All in all, these monsters only killed one person in the “real” timeline, they’re hardly as dangerous as the Daleks ! Why slaughtering them this way in Day of the Moon when the Doctor was ready to give another chance to the Sycorax, the Master or even the Daleks (whose annihilation in Journey’s End seriously angered him) ?

    And to continue with the problems which arose in Series 5 and 6, the photograph glimpsed by amy in Day of the Moon of her and her baby doesn’t make any sense. Amy lost the baby moments after her birth in A Good Man Goes To War and found her again as Mels in Let’s Kill Hitler. I seriously doubt Kovarian kindly photographed Mummy and baby at Demon’s Run. So : continuity error, or will a future Amy have a chance to spend time with baby Melody after all ?
    About Dorium : the Doctor left him, doors open, in his tomb. Sure, the place is not crowded with visitors, but won’t the Headless Monks come back to leave other living heads, thus learning from Dorium that the Doctor is still alive ?
    When did the name “River Song” came first ? Was it from the people of the Omega forests ? Or was it from the paradox of the Doctor knowing the name because River told him in Silence in the Library after the Doctor told her in Let’s Kill Hitler after River told him after the Doctor told her bla bla bla ?
    And what about the Omega forests ? I still don’t get their part, as well as the Headless Monks’, in Moffat’s grand design !

    This show is driving me crazy even when it’s off the air, give us Series 7 already !

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