Silences, Rivers and Songs – Series 6 discussion

July 27th, 2010
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The spring series of Series 6 has been and gone, but the first action-packed seven episodes have left us a TARDIS load of unanswered questions and unexplained mysteries…

Suffice to say, Steven Moffat has definitely provided us with more than enough to keep our overactive brains occupied until the Doctor returns in Let’s Kill Hitler in the autumn, so let’s get started, shall we? Of course, we now finally know who River really is, but just what is her relationship with the Doctor? And who was the girl in the spacesuit?

Feel free to speculate away on this post, a link to which will be posted on the sidebar so you can check back to see what our other visitors make of all the latest developments.

715 comments on this article
  1. Grace
    January 15th, 2012 at 9.10pm | #1

    @Bad Wolf

    You pointed out so many good unanswered questions from the last two series that I truly wish there was a way you could forward them all to Moffat directly! I think were he aware of just how many holes he left in his convoluted tale he might have done a better job of attempting to fill in some of these holes! All these questions and no answers?

    As I’ve said before, we don’t need BIGGER we just need him to work with what he already has!

  2. shawn
    January 15th, 2012 at 9.24pm | #2

    ive a feeling stephen will bring the time lords back perminate as we got a hint of there voices from the time lord message boxes in the doctors wife eipisode but i think the only way u can go in series 7 is start to open the possibilitys of the time lords and in the 50th anniversery have them back for a big 5oth annivarsery story

  3. Bad Wolf
    January 16th, 2012 at 7.21pm | #3

    @ Grace

    Thanks ! And sorry for the veeeeeery long post by the way ! Doctor Who is the one and only show that can have me guessing and thinking this much, I’ve got it under my skin, litterally.
    Anyway, looking back at Series 5 and 6 as a whole, I’ve got the feeling their finales (The Big Bang and The Wedding of River Song) only answered minor plot points.
    - The Big Bang focused on the cracks and their consequences, which were little more than collateral damage from the exploding TARDIS (one more time : Who ? How ? Why ?).
    - The Wedding of River Song focused on the Doctor cheating death in Utah, the Astronaut mystery being only a part of the big Silence’s plan.
    These are only small pieces of the puzzle, I hope Series 7 or the 50th Anniversary will finally give us the big picture !

    Moffat created a really compelling mythology and I’ll be forever thankful to him for the creation of River Song (I know a lot of people won’t agree, but…), but you’re right, let’s finish this story in a satisfying way first, then they can do things as big as they want.

  4. Bad Wolf
    January 16th, 2012 at 7.31pm | #4

    @ Shawn

    I’d rather Series 7 tying the Silence/Question loose ends before re-introducing the Time Lords.
    But that would be a good idea. I thought Journey’s end and The End of Time were gigantic, but when Moffat, answering questions about 2013, talks about “scale”, I know that anything can happen. Anything.

  5. shawn
    January 16th, 2012 at 9.20pm | #5

    @Bad Wolf
    he could finish of the silence and who blowed the TARDIS up in series 7 in the first few eipisodes and amy and rory could be caught up in the outcome and they either die r leave because of it and then start to bring the time lords back in the second half of series 7 ready for the massive story in the 50th anniversary this is probebly never going to happen but its what id like to see over the next 2 years but not cheat us like russle did by giveing us time lords and taking the whole lot away again i want him to bring them back perminately

  6. Grace
    January 16th, 2012 at 10.38pm | #6

    @Shawn

    Yes but isn’t the premise supposed to be this doctor is the last of the Time Lords?

    You know, I’ve been watching a lot of classic Who lately and one thing has become clear: The Time Lords were currupt jerks that spent the majority of their time trying to kill the Doctor. I know he misses his family but he spent his life running from them and for good reason! As an organization it was time for them to go! All that regenerating and dealing with the Matrix just made them crazy for more power! They made great villians!

    Hey, on a side note did anyone remember that the Doctor’s Twelvth regeneration was supposed to be evil? (Wouldn’t it be funny if he was the one that blew up the Tardis?)

    But I would love for the questions to be answered from Seasons Five and Six to be answered first, and Shawn I like your idea how that could be done!

  7. Rosalie
    January 17th, 2012 at 4.28am | #7

    @Grace
    Actually, the Valeyard was supposed to be distilled from a point in between his twelfth and thirteenth regenerations.

    More to the point…I do think that it is likely that all (or most) of the questions about the Silence will be answered by the time the 50th Anniversary Special rolls around. It seems to me that each series has given us a clue about the overarching plot in the same way that each episode has hinted at its series arc. I assume that Trenzalore will either be the finale of series 7 or the Special, and that it will wrap up all the loose ends that we have so desperately been attempting to make sense of. This would be in keeping with the style of much of Moffat’s work. Case in point: Sherlock. Hmm…how to say this without spoilers…well, the series 1 arc was about who was behind all the cases, and although we sorted that out, we had little other information…until series 2. That arc was about why said perpetrator was committing those crimes. Series 3 will probably be devoted to explaining how the end worked out and why it had to happen. Although some bits seemed unconnected, the first episode directly foreshadowed the finale of the second series, and they all worked together to tell a much greater story than the two series arcs. If Doctor Who follows this pattern, I do believe that, once all the plot is resolved, this era may turn out to be the greatest in its history.
    I think that the Time Lords have been permanently retired, as there seems to be no other possible way of breaking the time lock.
    I do wonder how Amy and Rory are going to leave, especially with the goodbye that the Doctor gave Amy in “The God Complex”. It doesn’t seem very likely to me that the Doctor would bring the Ponds back on the TARDIS for anything other than a few trips for special occasions.
    I am greatly looking forward to the next companion…as long as they have no romantic attraction to the Doctor. We need another companion like Ace or Donna–someone strong, opinionated, and not afraid to question the Doctor. I wouldn’t mind Martha’s intelligence or Susan’s curiosity either…
    Why must we wait ’til fall?

  8. Bad Wolf
    January 18th, 2012 at 4.14pm | #8

    @Rosalie

    As you bring up the subject of The God Complex, I wonder if what the Doctor saw in room 11 (we only heard the cloister bell) will ever be explained. I admire your hope in Moffat’s grand design, but I can’t help worrying the whole 11th Doctor might remain an ambitious but mishandled story.

    @Grace

    I’ve just begun watching classic stories, can you tell me when they said the 12th Doctor is supposed to be evil and why ? Thanks ! I wonder if it will be addressed when Doctor 11 regenerates !

  9. Grace
    January 21st, 2012 at 12.48am | #9

    Hey Bad Wolf: Check out Trial of a Time Lord. Its one of the few I didn’t have so I rented it. If I say more I’ll ruin it for you!

    And Rosalie: Good point! But it also means it’s even more possible! And no one hates the Doctor more than the Doctor!

  10. stephanie
    January 21st, 2012 at 10.46pm | #10

    i cant wait for the new series to come out, it’s supposed to be brilliant. exept amy and rory are leaving, thats bad. it will be “heartbreaking” as moffat says. i wonder where the doctor and river will go, but also the end of series seven means the doctor will have completed 3 series and will probably regenerate. after “let’s kill hitler” i think there will be more than 12 doctors, since river gave him her remaining lives.

  11. Bad Wolf
    January 21st, 2012 at 11.18pm | #11

    @stephanie

    I agree : River’s sacrifice in Let’s Kill Hitler could be used as an explanation for the Doctor potentially having more than 2 regenerations ahead of him.
    But I don’t understand why the Doctor should regenerate at the end of series 7 because he will have completed 3 series. Isn’t Matt Smith under contract for 2013 ?
    It’s like the fans who don’t want companions to last more than 2 series, no matter if there are still stories to tell about them. Tom Baker, Jon Pertwee and Elisabeth Sladen stayed with the show 7, 5 and 3 1/2 years with the show, and they are fondly remembered ! It should only be a matter of stories. I didn’t mind when Martha said goodbye at the end of series 3 because she was a weak character, but Donna could have remained the full-time companion until the 10th Doctor’s farewell in my opinion, it would have been well deserved.

    @Grace

    Thanks ! The 6th Doctor era is the least appealing for me, but I’ll check this one out !

    @Rosalie

    For me, each new episode of Doctor Who feels like a special event. I think part of what makes it so special is its limited run each year, it’s rare, thus it’s precious. We’re only in January and the fall is still light years away, but I’m sure the pleasure will be bigger than ever when series 7 finally graces our screens. The filming is to begin next month, so be careful : spoilers !

  12. shawn
    January 22nd, 2012 at 10.28am | #12

    @Grace
    yes i no this but time can be re written and the time lords can come back it will also make the doctors situations even more difficult as the times lords r more powerful than the doctor together i personaly want them back in doctor who to me doctor who isnt doctor who unless theres time lords of old in it :)

  13. shawn
    January 22nd, 2012 at 10.41am | #13

    @Bad Wolf
    the evil personification of the doctor that was called the valeyard is in the trail of a time lord with colin baker as the doctor

  14. Grace
    January 22nd, 2012 at 8.06pm | #14

    @Bad Wolf

    Seeing as to we’re going to be without our Doctor until almost the end of the year I think now is a great time to rewatch every episode all the way back to An Earthly Child. I know if you look at the first Doctor and then the subsequent regenerated versions of himself some you’ll like more and some you’ll like less (I’d still prefer a root canal over the seventh Doctor and Peri the Whiner made me want me reach back through time and tape her mouth shut)but there’ll be something you’ll appreciate because you’ll realize that everything we see today comes from ideas that began way back then.

    And yeah, the sixth Doctor with his big clown suit did take some getting used to but it wasn’t until his trial that lasted the entire season I believe that redeemed him in my eyes. It’s also where I realized the reason the Doctor avoided the Presidency. I think everyone of their leaders became insane with power!

  15. Patrick
    January 23rd, 2012 at 10.37am | #15

    I wonder how the time lords will come back because the Doctor destroyed the link that would bring Gallifrey and the Time Lords back! perhaps there is some kind of other device that will allow such a thing to happen. mind you i haven’t watched the classic era just got started on the very first season of Doctor Who.

  16. Grace
    January 29th, 2012 at 10.51pm | #16

    Stop the presses! New revelation! I think I figured out why River ended up in jail. The really good man she killed was her father!

    Sometime in the year 5000 (more or less) something must go terribly wrong, or maybe its to restore the time line back to how its supposed to be? I just have a feeling that since so few of the Doctor’s companions actually died that this is how we’ll say goodbye to one of the Ponds.

  17. Patrick
    January 30th, 2012 at 10.12am | #17

    @Grace
    But isn’t rory still a roman auton? just because the doctor rebooted the universe does it mean that rory is no longer an auton? and river ended in jail cause she killed the doctor well she thought she had anyway :P

  18. Grace
    January 30th, 2012 at 2.05pm | #18

    @Patrick

    She’s in jail in the year 5000 plus or minus a couple hundred years. So I doubt she’d be in jail then for something she did that far in the past…And didn’t Rory concieve a child? That sounds pretty human to me.

  19. shawn
    January 30th, 2012 at 6.13pm | #19

    @Patrick
    omega could be behind everything they can always find some way to write the time lords back in if they want to they will just make up a really good way like the hand of omega r use the mystery of the master dissappearing into the light with rassalon when the doctor sent them back to the time war could have gone wrong and the mite not have completely gone back cos the master never goes away as he always comes back through out doctor who history :)

  20. shawn
    January 30th, 2012 at 6.21pm | #20

    @Prisoner 0 / right hand side of the TARDIS
    i just had an idea if prisoner zero is behind all this and we dont no who he truely is he could be omega as he is traped in an anti gravity black hole prisoner zero could be a hint at zero gravity so hes known as prisoner zero im probebly totaly wrong but its just a thought and guess u just made me think about it when u wrote prisoner zero down :)

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