Silences, Rivers and Songs – Series 6 discussion

July 27th, 2010
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It was in The Eleventh Hour we were first told of the mysterious silence, but we’re still no closer to finding out what it is, or, more importantly, what’s behind it…

Steven Moffat has promised us that all of our questions will be answered in Series 6, and we’ve been left with plenty of clues to dissect until it hits our screens! What ominous figure could possibly blow up the TARDIS, and what could be their motives for doing it? We’ve also heard what’s seemingly their voice – does it sound at all familiar?

Could it have anything to do with River Song, who’s identity we’ll also discover next year? In The Big Bang she told the Doctor that everything will change when he finally learns who she is – not the most inviting of prophecies, and we’re sure you’ve all got your own weird and wonderful theories whizzing aimlessly through your Doctor Who obsessed minds. So, it’s about time we gave you somewhere to share them, isn’t it?

Feel free to speculate the remaining nights until Christmas away on this post, a link to which will be posted on the sidebar so you can check back to see what our other visitors make of this ever-growing series arc. People say silence is a virtue, but something tells us things will be far from virtuous for the Doctor when this particular one takes over…

303 comments on this article
  1. Professor Zed
    July 29th, 2010 at 4.10pm | #1

    @TE
    When I watched that (the first time) I also thought that “Silence Fell” in the concluding moment of “Pandorica Opens”. To me, it was an obvious. The entire Universe (including the Earth, I thought at the time) was gone, so there could only be silence.

    Then it turned out that Earth was still there, warming up to an ever-exploding TARDIS. Then the answers pertaining to “Silence Will Fall” wasn’t included in “The Big Bang” and later Steven Moffat said that the “Silence” will be addressed during the 6th Season.

    So apparently, the silence that fell in the concluding moment of “Pandorica Opens” wasn’t “Thee” Silence, and I guess, wasn’t silence in the sense of actual silence, at all.

    Unless I’m wrong. A whole lot of “Pandorica/Big Bang” confused me, and still does.

  2. Revenant
    July 29th, 2010 at 4.30pm | #2

    Omega was one of the founding fathers of the time lords, he co-operated with Rassilon on time travel experiments and was the one responsible for engineering the technology to collapse a star and harness the black hole to power gallifrey, hence creating time lord society as we know it. He was presumed killed in the resulting explosion but later was found to have been sucked into an anti-matter universe, never to be able to leave, he tried a few times but was thwarted by the Doctor.

    IF Omega is behind it I guess that’s a big enough villain to warrant a 2 season arc. But for some reason I doubt it’s Omega.

  3. e.p
    July 29th, 2010 at 5.59pm | #3

    Here’s a thought: Does River Song still die in the Library (at the end of *Forest of the Dead*) or does that never happen due to “Big Bang II”?
    The trouble with time travelers is you never know if they’re coming or going :P

  4. TSG
    July 29th, 2010 at 7.05pm | #4

    I feel like I should post my theories here, but I’m slightly hampered by one thing: I haven’t got a clue. Not a single clue.

    I’ve given up trying to work out who River might possibly be. Everything points toward her being the Doctor’s wife, so therefore that’s wrong. Or is it? To quote the Moff himself via the evil cabbie in Sherlock: “is it a bluff? Double bluff? Or even a triple bluff?” And did she kill him? The greatest man she’s ever known – who else could that be? Therefore, there has to be someone else. We still haven’t even worked out why she recognised the tenth Doctor.

    As for the Silence (which deserves a capital letter almost as much as the Doctor), nope, I’m stumped again. We’ve had the Darkness, with the stars going out. But the Silence? Silence in the Library does seem like quite a coincidence, but could it be a red herring?

    And blowing up the TARDIS… goodness only knows. Why anyone who knew the consequences would want to do that is beyond me. They’d have to be mad. Or suicidal. Suicidal and mad.

    Still. I shall wait (im)patiently, and in the meantime, wonder if any of our theories are anywhere near the truth. Knowing the Moff, I doubt they are. But it’s fun trying, eh?

  5. TE
    July 29th, 2010 at 7.46pm | #5

    @e.p
    Who isn’t confused about that? :D So much of the previous two series is changed thanks to “Big Bang II”, like The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone never happening. Or happening differently. Or occuring exactly as it did for the Doctor and Amy…

  6. e.p
    July 29th, 2010 at 8.33pm | #6

    @TE
    Maybe everything happened as it did before, except for anything affected by the cracks. So Amy’s parents and Rory were never erased, and the vampire-fish-things never went to Venice because their world wasn’t destroyed by the cracks. But everything that happened with Doctors 1-10 (since 1963) still happened.
    I guess what I’m trying to say is that Amy/the Doctor restored all of space and time as it happened before the cracks appeared.

    Am I making any sense at all??

  7. TSG
    July 29th, 2010 at 10.53pm | #7

    @e.p
    I think I get what you’re saying, but that doesn’t explain why Amy doesn’t remember the Daleks. Or does she, now?

  8. Revenant
    July 30th, 2010 at 1.09am | #8

    Perhaps someone was manipulating the cracks to erase particular parts of history, like the Daleks and Cyberking mentioned by the Doctor. The same someone who tried to blow up the TARDIS.

    What about the “prototype tardis” that was seen in The Lodger? Someone built that, the Doctor never said time machine, or temporal ship, he used the word tardis, implying that ship was a multi-dimensional time vessel.

    Out on a limb here, but what if someone (be it a race or a few) is filling the vaccuum left over by the time lords, and managing to emulate their technology?

  9. e.p
    July 30th, 2010 at 2.03am | #9

    @Revenant
    Ah good point. As you say that was specifically called a TARDIS and that whole scene was never explained. Moffat is too clever to leave a plot hole like that.

    @TSG
    I really have no idea :P
    But I’m hoping that everything happened as before because I don’t like the idea of the Doctor’s past 900something years happening differently, ya know? I mean if Gallifrey exists (again?) because the universe was recreated, Doctors 9 and 10 would be totally different.

    Unless Big Bang II created a parallel universe/alternate timeline, which means that the past 10 Doctors are in a different universe from the 11th.
    Gosh timey-wimey stuff gets to you after a while. Am I over analyzing this? haha

  10. TE
    July 30th, 2010 at 11.10am | #10

    @e.p
    Unless it wasn’t a plot hole, more of a foreshadowing of events to come? Ooh, I like that theory! Much better than having to bring the Time Lords back.

  11. TSG
    July 30th, 2010 at 6.49pm | #11

    @Revenant
    Brilliant! I hope you’re right. We were all left going “why didn’t you even investigate who would want to create a TARDIS” so I’d love that to be deliberate.

    @e.p
    I think we’re all over-analysing, but that’s the nature of theorising, surely! :P I’m with you that I don’t want the rest of history rewritten. I don’t see, though, how you can erase, say, the Cyberking and not, say, the Master’s involvement in planet Earth, which of course had a direct bearing on the outcome of the Time War.

    @TE
    Agreed – I don’t want to bring the Time Lords back. RTD tried (after first killing them off) and I wasn’t keen. Which is an understatement, but then we all know how annoyingly diplomatic I have a tendency to be.

  12. e.p
    July 30th, 2010 at 8.38pm | #12

    @TSG
    I think the Time Lords returning could have worked if it had been a series arc, but it was sort of squished into The End of Time. It’s a shame because that would have been a really interesting plot line for the next series. It’ll be a while before anyone tries to bring back Gallifrey, at risk of being repetitive.
    Never mind though, we still have the Silence to deal with ;)

  13. iyc
    July 31st, 2010 at 11.50pm | #13

    i personally think ‘the Voice’ that explodes the tardis is the doctor. there was a definate hint towards a split doctor (dream lord), two tardises (the lodger).the lodger episode has yet a part to play for sure. also the stairs in amys house that lead to another floor yet its not there. maybe thats where another tardis is being built, in the 6th season that is. maybe one of the doctor trying to kill the other to restore order – cant have two doctors!
    and what was ‘in the corner of the eye’ thing for? with an invisible door?

  14. TE
    July 31st, 2010 at 11.59pm | #14

    @iyc
    To be honest, I would say “the corner of your eye” was the Doctor pointing out how to look through a perception filter, possibly how the Master could see the Doctor, Martha and Jack back in The Sound of Drums, but the Toclafane couldn’t.

  15. canan
    August 1st, 2010 at 11.48am | #15

    WHEN he finds out who she is maybe she kills him or he marries her and turns human or he marries her and she was a timelord agent left on earth from the end of time episode to somehow bring the doctor back to gallifray or he marries her and he forgets about the tardis and they live a human life or she is bad and the voice we heard from the tardis tv in the pandorica opens is her in her in her right time to show the doctor who she is and she could be the silance well have to weight and see or the only other possibilty is he dosent marry her and shes his mum an alian the silance his daughter or hi wife frome gallifray that he found on earth /rivers right time finally/and he turns her timelord and marries well have to see P.s doctor who is the best

  16. canan
    August 1st, 2010 at 12.40pm | #16

    WHEN he finds out who she is maybe she kills him or he marries her and turns human or he marries her and she was a timelord agent left on earth from the end of time episode to somehow bring the doctor back to gallifray or he marries her and he forgets about the tardis and they live a human life or she is bad and the voice we heard from the tardis tv in the pandorica opens is her in her in her right time to show the doctor who she is and she could be the silance well have to weight and see or the only other possibilty is he dosent marry her and shes his mum an alian the silance his daughter or hi wife frome gallifray that he found on earth /rivers right time finally/and he turns her timelord and marries well have to see P.s doctor who is the best in the world iv got all the dvds possible untill the series 5 volume 3 dvd coumes out

  17. canan
    August 1st, 2010 at 12.50pm | #17

    apsalutly true canan your answer was correct dont tell enyone youv figered out the answer about river song and the silence but witch was the correct answer there is the correct answer in there al connected but it is in there the correct answer is in there yours sisirly steavan moffit head of doctor who you have got acsess to see all doctor who characters and there proms back stage or in the front row every year you will get all the series 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 dvds of doctor who and from series 5 the series of doctor who series 5 up to twenty wil be out every year so canan youll have series 20 dvds that are in the shops in 15 years and youll get them now and youll see all the shhots of doctor who every time and get the charcters phone numbers

  18. e.p
    August 2nd, 2010 at 9.39pm | #18

    @canan
    Erm… all right?
    ;)

    @TE
    Yeah, the “corner of the eye” has been a sort of reoccurring phrase for the past few seasons. I think it’s just a simple way to explain a perception filter.

    @iyc
    That’s actually a really interesting theory. And maybe the man River kills isn’t the Doctor, but another version of him?
    Or maybe River is just plain evil, although personally I find that hard to believe. She certainly is mysterious and incredibly intelligent but secret Time Lord murderer just doesn’t seem to fit her

  19. iyc
    August 3rd, 2010 at 7.55pm | #19

    @e.p
    thankyou :)
    it does sound simple enough to have two doctors and i agree with you e.p that this theory would apply to River killing one of the Doctors , because either way , both of them are ‘the best man ive ever known’ as River put it. And we must be left with at least one Doctor to carry on the Doctor Who.

  20. Nikki
    August 4th, 2010 at 8.29pm | #20

    I wonder if anyone’s considered the possibility that new “villan” is the Black Guardian. He had an awful grudge against the 4th Doctor, and what’s 450 years to an infinite being. He would definitely have the power, and he is a being of entropy, and destruction.

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