what if shes Jenny or susan that would be cool but mind you the doctor did snog her in the xmas special which makes it a little weird if she’s his daughter or granddaughter

this is a ery good theory

There was another spoiler the finale which kind of adds more to the speculation that Clara and River are one and the same. Thats why I am thinking more and more that Clara and River are one and the same.

Sorry, didn’t realize it would post it like that. Anyway, should make it even harder to read now I suppose. Sorry again.

Today I have realized that we will probably witness some identity-fusing or memory-fusing in the finale (maybe even next week). When Asylum-Clara was calming Rory, she talked about having a crush on some Nina. But we know from ‘The Bells of Saint John’ that Nina is a friend of the older girl Modern-Clara is nannying.

Could it be that Asylum-Clara was in fact the older girl, and she took the mental image of Clara as an effect of Dalek conversion?

@Simon

Hi Simon,

I thought that this theory was really interesting. I also have a bit of evidence. The chair that Jenny was sitting in when she used the escape pod was the exact same chair as Oswin’s. I don’t know if they’re reusing props, if it’s just a coincidence, (Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you’re busy, in that case always ignore a coincidence.) or if it really means something. I hope she is Jenny, that would be cool.

Random bit of Clara-Jenny evidence I found:

For: Jenny regenerated into herself, so she basically didn’t regenerate, she just Healed After A While. Even though she has two hearts and Gallifreyan DNA.

Against: Why would Jenny regenerate into another woman?

For: Maybe she does if the damage is too great to heal.

For: And since she’s human with a dash of Time Lord and therefore an unknown entity, maybe when she regenerates into a new person she loses the memories from her previous incarnation.

Against: Clara’s died twice. Why would she forget the previous Clara memories if Jenny didn’t forget her memories from “The Doctor’s Daughter”?

Against: Also Clara got super super exploded in “Asylum of the Daleks,” to a point that not even the Doctor would regenerate from.

For: The chair! The chair is the same!

Against: They might be just re-using props.

For: The revelation that she’s the Doctor’s daughter would have a dramatic, emotional impact on the Doctor, which is what you want an overarching mystery like this to do.

Against: But it doesn’t make sense.

For: But you can handwave it with one line.

For: And it’s Doctor Who and Steven Moffat, so….

I dont think its Jenny. Reason being that the episode she was in was not written or produced by Moffat. I tend to feel that he ignores 90% of anything that had to do with the 9th and 10th doctors. Which brings me to another reason why I think that Clara is River Song and that there is a connection to the Library episode is because Moffat wrote and produced that episode.

But dont get me wrong… After much thought, I almost rather it did turn out to be Jenny than River. But to me, it just strongly feels that Clara and River are one and the same.

Mhh, The impossible girl, The Impossible Astronaut…
Does anyone see where I’m going with this?

I wish Sarah Jane smith was still in it.

@alice
Dont we all.

My theory is evolving… I am now thinking the pointers to Rose may be a red herring or clues to the 50th special. Or just to highlight the idea that a message can be spread through time as Rode did with Bad Wolf.

I think the present day version of Clara is Clara Prime. The first and true Clara. The other versions are just copies/ aspects of Clara Prime. I think the events of the finale will reveal that she has been fractured through time as a warning or reminder for the Doctor. I think also that maybe River has something to do with this fracturing. I rewatched the Library episodes the other day and there are lots of refrences to the dark, remember, running, being clever (CAL asks if she’s a clever girl)…

The last clue that has me linking Clara and River is the impossible connection mentioned in a post above – in the Library episodes, River calls the Doctor and Impossible Man, River is called the Impossible Astronaut in season 6 and Clara is the Impossible Girl… Maybe Moffat is using the word impossible to describe the timey wimeyness of their existence? Or is it a hint to how they may be all connected?

All I can say is, I am quite certain that Clara is not timelord in any way. And I am really looking forward to finding out the answers! :D

CLARA=CAL+River+A(whatever the Dr’s name is as she took his name when they were married).Clara is a creation of River and CAL post-library, as River’s conciousness was saved in CAL. She is created to save The Doctor.The thing is to figure out how it’s done.Could be a ganger but she did have parents. Where these parents real though?

All this nice theories makes ur head spin :) very nice! My theory has to do with Rose. Well we all know that Rose is in another universe and she cannot return, as the doctor said, BUT, what if Rose’s and Mickey’s child got out of this parallel somehow in a (wibbly wobbly… time-y wimey) way???
Now i know that no one showed us that Rose and Mickey got maried and had a child BUT IF they got maried and IF they had a child that would be a Smith’s child? (Mickey Smith)?
And my stupid litle mind makes all this thoughts around one sec scene on the key of TARDIS with the name SMITHS on it in the (Journey int the center of the TARDIS)… Maybe the production of DW put a spoiler scene to make all of us wonder.. Put our heads going around logical theories instead of mad theories?? I dont know. But something’s tellin me Clara is the child of Rose and Mickey’s Smith that travels around the universe just like the sign BAD WOLF did…

What we know for sure: the Great Intelligence is back.

So far, we don’t have anything pointing to Rose.

But we have something for River — and it is unearthed River, AFTER the Library.

We should then look for clues to ‘The Snowmen’ and ‘The Bells of Saint John’.

My final theory: there is only one Clara — Modern Clara.

Clara from ‘The Snowmen’ was Clara left by the Doctor for reason we get to know in a week (birthday present? to help himself?). Her memory was cleared by a memory worm’s kiss. In ‘The Snowmen’ we get to see just a glimpse of Clara’s life, out of context from her past.

Clara from ‘The Asylum of the Daleks’ was just Clara’s consciousness, memory-wormed again, transferred to the Cloud and downloaded into a Dalek. The fight for control of the mind and the body of Dalek was similar to the fight with the Cyber-Doctor in ‘Nightmare in Silver’. In ‘The Asylum…’ we never see physical Clara.

I’m pretty sure next week we get an explanation of all the flickering lights in episodes in the first part of the season. It was probably someone downloading his/her consciousness into some person in a background (Clara? River? The Doctor himself?).

Why so much doing? The Great Intelligence thought of something really nasty and this is the only way to defeat it. More details — next week.

That’s all the fun for now from me.

Why they erased my comment??? :(

I think that Clara is River. There’s so much evidence for it. Both River and Clara know the Doctor’s name so my theory is that in the episode, The Journey To The Centre of The Tardis, Clara remembered his name from The History of the Time War and whispered it to him as River in the Library episodes.

Also there’s the theory about the Doctor being called the impossible man by River, River being the Impossible Astronaut and Clara the impossible girl. I also recall River calling the Eleventh Doctor a clever boy and asking him if he remembers her throughout her appearances with him, whereas Clara tells him “Run you clever boy, and remember”. Coincidence? I think not

Here’s my theory. I believe that Clara is bits of the TARDIS that were scattered across space and time when it exploded. Yes, time was rewritten and it never actually exploded, but Timey-Wimey and all, we know that undoing some fixed events do not change events they caused (Amy’s parents did not come back after the cracks were sealed, etc.). So, it *could* be an answer, but is there any evidence? It makes sense that she’d be human and on earth in the Doctor’s two favorite times. Yes, her current incarnation as born of earthly parents, but that doesn’t mean her soul couldn’t be from the Tardis (we’re all made from the stuff of stars, right?). This could also explain why the actual TARDIS doesn’t like her (paradoxes and all) but seems to want to protect her (self-preservation?). Also could explain why she had the power/fortitude to maintain her personality through the Dalek conversion process. Clara is adventurous and wants to “see the stars” in all of her incarnations and as Idris, the TARDIS claimed “I wanted to see the universe, so I stole a timelord and ran away”. Computer genius in multiple incarnations? As the Tardis, she IS a living computer. Nanny? She’s been taking care of the Doctor for 900 years, so, yeah, that makes sense, too.

Oh, and because River was in the TARDIS when it exploded (or didn’t… Whatever), the potential fusion of her personality with the soul of the Tardis goes a long way toward explaining Clara’s, uhm, quirks.