Rate & Discuss: Immortal Sins

August 20th, 2011
Warning! This article and its comments may contain spoilers...

Gwen fights to protect her family, and takes a terrifying journey covering both miles and decades as the long history of the Miracle is revealed.

Seven weeks of Miracle Day, and for the Torchwood team things go from bad to worse.

After Episode 6’s big cliffhanger, Gwen faced her most testing challenge yet in the latest episode, Immortal Sins by Jane Espenson, and set out on a terrifying journey to save her family. But in order to determine the future, she had to delve deeper into the past…

At Comic Con, John Barrowman himself described this particular ep as “…heavy and shocking”, but do you agree? Did you enjoy finding out more about Jack’s past and his relationship with Gwen? So, let us know what you thought of Episode 7 in the comments!

This discussion won’t be monitored for spoilers, so please don’t read any of the comments if you haven’t seen the episode yet. As soon as you have, feel free to let us know your thoughts – and don’t forget to rate the episode too!

Keep up to date with all the Miracle Day developments at our Torchwood site!

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16 comments on this article
  1. TE
    August 20th, 2011 at 2.03pm | #1

    A brilliant episode from Jane this week! It’s nice to finally have a Jack-centric episode for the first time this series, especially one that (seemingly) introduces the Three Families (presumably those three men who now “own” Jack). Also, a nice cliffhanger and I wasn’t too concerned about Rex and Esther hardly appearing considering they’ve been the main characters in the past few episodes.

  2. cybergirl
    August 20th, 2011 at 4.56pm | #2

    I loved it,very very good.really picking up now.It will be interesting to see how the BBC edit the very beautiful love scene.Loved the nod to the Doctor as well.

  3. TE
    August 20th, 2011 at 6.16pm | #3

    @cybergirl
    In the complaint response, the BBC said they wouldn’t edit it because it was relevant to the plot but it’s bound to receive a large amount of complaints from those who said the series had “too much gay content” ;)

  4. maya
    August 20th, 2011 at 7.18pm | #4

    Absolutely fantastic episode! For the first time this season it really looks like Torchwood. Definitely the best of this new series.

  5. YouKnowWHO
    August 20th, 2011 at 8.05pm | #5

    @cybergirl
    I was more surprised by the reference to The Trickster’s Brigade!

  6. The Parminder Victorious
    August 20th, 2011 at 8.23pm | #6

    I was concerned about there not being enough alien or Doctor Who type references last week and wow. This week it really felt like Torchwood.
    It actually felt better without all that Oswald Danes nonsense. If the coming episodes are as exciting as this one was I will be very happy.

  7. TE
    August 21st, 2011 at 10.44pm | #7

    @The Parminder Victorious
    Actually, that’s another point: Oswald Danes really isn’t as important as he was made out to be. All he’s done so far is annoy people and remain dislikeable. What Bill Pullman saw in the character, I’ll never know.

  8. e.p
    August 22nd, 2011 at 5.05am | #8

    Honestly this didn’t feel as much like “Torchwood” to me as the previous two episodes did, but I suppose that’s a matter of opinion. The flashbacks could have been shorted considerably and the multiple stabbings/torture (if that’s even the correct term) of Jack was wayyyy too much. Maybe I just really dislike gratuitous violence, but come on.
    It was a good episode, but I wouldn’t say the best. Several times throughout I found myself wondering what the point was, though they managed to find a plot towards the end.

    (In case anyone gets any ideas, it wasn’t the sex scenes that bothered me at all. This is Torchwood. We’re used to that. I just think that their romance didn’t really need a whole episode, and if it did it should have been earlier in the series, as it’s apparently quite important.)
    The three mysterious men did pique my interest though!

    @YouKnowWHO
    So was I! I do like SJA but I admit I cringed when I *completely incorrectly* thought for a moment the “miracle” could somehow be down to the Trickster. Haha. Ooh but maybe it is… ;)

    Anyway it seems I’m in the mood to nitpick this episode… Feel free to ignore me, it obviously wasn’t one of my favourites but I’m looking forward to the next one!

  9. Rosalie
    August 22nd, 2011 at 4.23pm | #9

    @The Parminder Victorious
    Thank you! In my opinion, while Danes was a good way to show the results of the miracle, he really isn’t central to the plot, and therefore should not have gotten so much screen time. I agree, it did feel like Torchwood this week because there were finally some ALIENS and heroic, world-saving moments. I can’t wait to see how the story ends!

  10. SHAWN
    August 23rd, 2011 at 9.41am | #10

    i love this new series of torchwood even though i didnt think i would its turned out to be a great series

  11. Simon
    August 23rd, 2011 at 4.33pm | #11

    Loved it, think that epsidoe contians the most shocking scene where something happens to jack. For spoiler reasons I wont post it. But its gruesome and twisted really.

  12. JC
    August 25th, 2011 at 10.10pm | #12

    Miracle Day is improving, becoming slowly more Torchwood, but I wouldn’t say it was Torchwood just yet.

    The violence in this episode was reasonably strong, but I’ve seen a lot worse. The back story was pretty good and I’ll be interested to see where that goes, especially since Angelo, if he’s lived a conventional life, would be in over 100 years old.

    I used to be a Star Trek fan and seeing Nana Visitor again was interesting, even if just to see if she’s changed since DS9, and although she has, it was great to see her and it’ll be the same with John De Lancie.

    So yeah, from my personal perspective, Miracle Day doesn’t deserve to be called Torchwood just yet, but it’s been improving since Episode 5, clearly things are speeding up and that makes it actually worth watching till the end.

    What can I say, I’m a hard to impress audience member, lol

  13. Sam
    August 26th, 2011 at 10.41am | #13

    To me this episode seemed a little like Fragments from series 2, revolving mainly around the past events of characters but mainly around Jack. I loved having a Jack-centre episode, and I loved the twist at the end. This series just keeps getting better and better, and I loved Jack’s reference to the Doctor.

  14. TE
    August 26th, 2011 at 10.52am | #14

    @TE
    And this is proven in Episode Eight. Jilly, just kill him and recruit someone likeable.

  15. Sean
    August 26th, 2011 at 1.56pm | #15

    I was confused.. Jack was in 1920’s but his clothes were more like th clothes he wears now..He didnt take on the real captain jack ID till WW2.

    He is looking too old to do flashback its just loks wrong :S

    still love TW but like it more as one adventure an episode rather than like it is now.

  16. TE
    August 26th, 2011 at 3.02pm | #16

    @Sean
    This episode takes place in the 100+ years that Jack is waiting for the Doctor on Earth following Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways. Also, he sort of looks exactly the same as he did in Fragments which features part of Jack’s life in the late 1800s.

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